Questions about Union!!! PLEASE ANSWER!!!!

<p>Hi. I was up at Union this past weekend and was very impressed with certain aspects of the school and a bit turned off by other things. I spoke to a bunch of students and a couple of professors and was very impressed by what I felt to be the overall academic climate of the school. And the campus was stunning. I think I got a good feel for the personality of the school, but I had a few quuestions.</p>

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<li><p>What is the overal political atmosphere of the school? Is it liberal, conservative, moderate?</p></li>
<li><p>How much do fraternities and sororities dominate the social scene?</p></li>
<li><p>How are the arts programs at Union, particuarlly theater? Are they always concidered second to sports?</p></li>
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<p>Bascialy just tell me anything about Union!!!!!!</p>

<p>THANKS!!!</p>

<p>What turned you off? My son will be attending in the fall, so I do not have any experience with the political atmosphere (although I am not under the impression it is a liberal school like, say, Vassar) or theater (I know the facility appears to be geared toward student performances, not bringing in outside performers -- I guess they have Proctor's for that). My understanding of the greek scene is that while still prominent, it is not as all-encompassing as it once was.</p>

<p>It would really help to know what bothered you, what you are looking for, perhaps where else you are looking, etc.</p>

<p>I should add that on the music side, Union has a well thought of small classical series (small meaning individual performers and quartets, not symphonies) that is held in Memorial Chapel, which my wife tells me is stunning. For theater, you can walk to Proctors in 10-15 minutes (broadway shows) or go into Albany as well. If you do not know about Procotrs, it has musicals, plays, dance, concerts, comedy. Take a look:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.proctors.org/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.proctors.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>What struck us when we visited last spring was the Minerva system seems like a thinly-veiled attempt to put the frats out of business by offering an "alternative system" to offer some of the same benefits of frat life, but within control of the college.</p>

<p>From what I've seen when visiting my son the Minervas have not been as much of a hit as the schools would have hoped for. If, however, your kid is looking for that type of environment they are great houses to live in. The student body at large, however, doesn't fully utilize them.</p>

<p>Theater is not a huge program but that means there are a lot of opportunities. Freshmen will get to work in and on plays right from the beginning; seniors can have their work performed. I don't know if you can compare the theater scene to the sports scene - generally speaking, you are talking about two different groups of students and the "sports" group is definitely larger. The Greek scene is popular, but you can still have a lively social scene without participating. The artsy, "GDI" track is a road less travelled at Union (as compared to, say, Vassar), but there are still enough students with similar interests to give you a community.</p>

<p>I'm assuming you visited Union during the Junior Jump-Start day, and are therefore a junior and this comment isn't too late to be of any help. I was a freshman this past year at Union.</p>

<p>The overall political atmosphere of the school is pretty much moderate / mixed. The more liberal students are usually the more vocal students politically, but good portions of my friends are conservative, liberal, and moderate. Political leanings don't usually make or break friendships at Union because, really, no one cares unless it's election time. Union's legendary student apathy encompasses politics, too. It's definitely not a liberal campus, but it's definitely not conservative either. Apparently, there are College Republicans and College Democrats, but they're not given money by the college and I've never really seen them active on campus. The only real political organization on campus is Campus Action, which does an annual exhibit where they put stakes representing deceased soldiers in the ground in front of the Nott.</p>

<p>Don't let anyone tell you differently, fraternities and soroties COMPLETELY dominate the social scene. If you look on any of the college review websites, it'll tell you that something like 45% of students go greek-- however, freshman are not allowed to pledge, so the actual percentage of people-who-do-to-people-who-are-allowed bumps up to more like 70%. A typical weekend for most students at Union is to pregame in a dorm room, go to the hockey game, leave after the 2nd period and pregame some more, and then go to the frats for the night. Other than those aforementioned things, there's really not much else to do at Union on the weekends. UProgram, one of the clubs on campus, is given a fairly large budget to have one alternative entertainment option on campus each weekend. They'll bring in comedians, magicians, and have alcohol-free parties for a few hours on one day of the weekend. Except for the large parties, only a few people actually show up to the shows (and mostly, they're drunk). Most people love the way it is at Union, since beer is pretty much free with tutition (or at least the running joke goes), but if you're not a big partier, your best bet is to try and find the few other people who don't drink in your class and hang out with them on the weekends. There are other things to do in the surrounding area (Saratoga is great, and Crossgates Mall is always fun), but most students don't really take advantage of it.
Also, as someone said above, the Minervas were a thinly veiled attempt to try and reclaim some of the social life from the fraternities and sororties, but have mostly failed at that. The students who were in the Greek system when the Minervas were unveiled bore an unparalleled hatred for the new system, and the tendency has been passed down to the newer members: that Minervas are the enemy and were created to destroy the frats. Students in general don't really actively use their Minervas unless they a)live in the Minerva (they are some of the best dorms on campus), b) live close to their Minerva and use their kitchen (despite what the antiquated virtual tour might say, none of the freshman dorms have working kitchens) or c) are a member of the House Council and therefore have to plan and be at the events they put on. 3 of the 7 houses are not in convenient locations around campus for (b). Also, to be quite honest, the Minerva Councils are moving away from putting on smaller events like the original idea was (since no one shows up), and instead are putting on huge parties with alcohol, since those are better attended. Which, of course, basically makes them another frat.</p>

<p>The arts at Union... well...
If you're going to major in an arts field as your primary major, you're better off somewhere else. Union's ranked high in everything else, but is not really a great arts school. If you're thinking of double majoring in, say, a science or history and also music or theater, then you may be better off. Union's music department just got a brand-new renovated building with a new concert hall. It's really nice in there, and they have a brand-new music technology lab that music theory students get to use. (If you go to Union, take Music Theory I. It's a fun class with a great professor.) They also have a bunch of brand-new Steinway pianos in the music building for students to practice on. However, arts at Union are almost always put secondary to sports. Sports coaches get paid almost six figures while clubs, especially arts, have to fight to get $4000 to run the club with for the year. As for theater at Union, the theater department usually puts on 3 shows a year, but usually no musicals-- the head of the department thinks they generally aren't worth performing. Rarely are outside performers brought in, and they NEVER use the theater-- it's not large enough, and is basically just an enlarged black-box. The student-run theater group on campus (Mountebanks, no one knows why they're called that) tries to sponsor trips to NYC, a few productions of their own, and usually a talk or two, but they're mostly all theater majors anyway and are usually busy with the department's shows. The people are nice, but there's not many of them and there's not a lot offered. Most people are depressed and wish they had transferred while they could.</p>

<p>Other things you might want to know:
-lots of "hot" guys and girls, not a huge gay community.
-campus is <em>mostly</em> safe, but Schenectady is not a great city and you have to keep your wits about you
-if you join more than one club, are enthusiastic about them, and stick with them, you will be hailed as a hero
-most people wish they hadn't gone there, and Union is a lot of people's second- or third-choice school.</p>

<p>NBinks, now that you have completed your freshman year, are you glad you are at Union? I think your post is very interesting and it is great to hear from someone with up-to-the-minute, first-hand experience. I am not sure what you hear from your friends, but in my day, virtually every college campus' social life was based on parties and drinking. I wonder if Union is really any more so than other schools. Interesting view of the Minervas -- they struck me as something that parents love, but kids have little use for. Your experience seems to indicate that this is correct, at least as of now. As for most people wishing they had not gone to Union, do you mean now or when they first came to campus? I think the overwhelming majority of schools have many kids who really wanted to be somewhere else (for example, in my day, everyone at Binghamton wanted to be at Cornell, but could not afford it or did not get in, and everyone at Cornell wanted to be at Harvard, Yale or Princeton). Do you think this is worse at Union than at other schools, perhaps based on comparing notes with friends? My experience in talking with folks is that kids who have gone to Union are usually happy that they did.</p>

<p>Thanks for responding Three Sons, sorry this is a bit late, hopefully you read this.
Now that I'm done with Freshman year, I'm actually really angry that I picked Union and am possibly looking to transfer. (The problem is, Union got out so late that I'm searching for schools that I have a possiblity of being able to apply to. Maybe I can go SUNY, or maybe I'll stick through until November and transfer then.) Union didn't really fit me very well overall, despite what I thought during the several campus tours I went on, the Junior Jump start day, and other events I went to.
Yes, it is true that just about every college campus's social life is based on parties and drinking. The main problem with Union (in my opinion) is that there is basically no alternatives for people who do NOT drink. I did come to college expecting that most people would drink (a lot), and I'm actually pretty cool with that-- I have quite a few Facebook photos tagged of me at room parties where everyone but I was drinking. However, for the rest of the time, I was pretty confident coming into Union that I would be able to find some other people who also did not drink to chill with on the weekends. The problem is, these people pretty much did not exist. There was basically one clique of people (again, Union's class years are only about 500 people... think a high school lunch table), but they mainly stuck to themselves and were slightly... unwelcoming of new people. The problem with Union's small size was that there was basically no one else after these folks. And Union doesn't really even try to help the people who don't drink-- Union doesn't put a ton of money into weekend activities (except for UProgram, but again, one thing for two hours on one day of the weekend just doesn't cut it), and kind of just assumes that the frats are the entertainment for the weekend. On the other hand, 1/3 of the Student Forum budget is spent on the two rock concerts of the year-- this year it was Third Eye Blind (on 4/20, guess what people did before and after the concert?), and Springfest, which brought in The Roots, The Gin Blossoms, and two littler bands. Some people like the fact that that's where the budget goes, some people don't. I'd say Union DOES have a higher rate of drinking than other schools, to answer your question.
For everyone else, frat parties are where its at. Union really is an underage alcoholic's paradise: frats give out free beer to anyone with a cup, regardless of ID or age, Campus Safety stops at the door of the frats and pretty much NEVER go inside except to go off-tap or to investigate violence, and Schenectady Police have bigger things to worry about, such as the ongoing gang war and the people getting shot on Hamilton Hill. If that sounds good to you, Union is a terrific school... and there definitely are friends of mine from HS that I would recommend Union to (and I have). Union has got a good academic standing, and a good alumni network, and small class sizes (my Physics 101 and 102 classes were basically 4 people and the professor). On the other hand (just giving the full story), it seems that if you're a legacy, you're in, despite academic record or not. Also, if you can pay the money, just about anyone can get into Union... I know a suprising amount of people who said that they got "mostly B's and C's" in high/prep school... but they were very, very rich!</p>

<p>Let's see... When I said that most people wish they had not gone to Union, I mean both now AND when they first came to campus. When I started telling people I was thinking of transferring, an upperclassmen's typical response was, "Ohh, that's too bad... but see, you're smart, you're getting out while you can." I agree that there is a certain amount of "the grass is greener" when making the final decision to go to college, but Union really is an Ivy League reject school. An awful lot of Union students are at Union because (a) they are a legacy or (b) they went to prep school and were expected to go to a prestigious institution like Harvard or Yale, but didn't get in to any of the Ivies and got stuck with Union. Union was my first choice, but that's pretty rare at Union, despite what admissions says.</p>

<p>Other random factoids:
-Soroties do a lot of cocaine, it started with Tri-Delta and has now creeped into the other ones.
-Union's hockey team, while last in the league, is a lot of fun and rarely sells out except for the RPI game.
-Broomball is very popular, lots of people get injured
-The president of ADPhi got busted this past year for selling marijuana, his brothers went into the campus center at night and defaced all the newspapers carrying the story. "It's just weed!"
-The Nott Memorial is open every day as a study room, but I've never heard of anyone actually going there to study.
-The library is very good, the librarians love to help you find books and sources for research projects as long as you respect them.
-The bookstore is really great, the declining balance (around $125 per term) is really useful for buying food and stuff from there, I rarely actually had to plunk down money at the convenience store.</p>

<p>Hope this helped a bit.</p>

<p>NBinks, you obviously had an unhappy experience and I hope you find a better fit for the fall. I guess it has been quite a while since I went to college but I can tell you that when I did, the drinking culture was THE culture on virtually every campus I was familiar with, regardless of the size of the school (not to mention drugs). While I can only see from the website what activities are offered on campus, there is now a movie sixplex within walking distance of the school, not to mention Proctors, and the entire Capital region is in reach if you have a car after freshman year. However, I doubt freshmen take advantage of these things very much (I am guessing my son won't).</p>

<p>As this is obviously a big issue for you (and I very much commend you for this), you should be very diligent in searching for a school where this is not quite so much the case. Quite frankly, I am guessing that such campuses are unfortunately in a small minority. You may do better on a larger campus or a more urban campus, although I still think you will likely run into the same issues.</p>

<p>On the academic profile of the students, that is very interesting. I must say that I do not buy that a bunch of rich kids get in with mostly Bs and Cs in high school. Be careful with what people tell you. 67% of the incoming class finished in the top 10% of their high school graduating class. Do you really believe that a significant number finished in the bottom half?</p>

<p>I can, however, believe that many of the kids wanted to go to Ivy schools and could not get in. Yes, that may make some of them disappointed to be there, especially in their freshman year. However, kids with Ivy aspirations are going to be very fine students in their own right. I also think that many excellent schools share that same distinction. In fact, that probably applies to most of the top liberal arts colleges and many elite universities that are not quite Ivy.</p>

<p>Ultimately, you obviously need to find a place that fits you better and I sincerely hope you do. I will be interested to see how my son fits with Union -- I don't think anyone knows until they get to a school. However, be careful not to assume that the things you do not like are unique to Union. Most of what you have mentioned is, I think, pretty endemic to most schools (or most highly ranked schools in terms of the Ivy envy), whereas things like greek culture, size of the school, rural vs. urban vs. suburban, male-female ratio, etc. really will differ from school to school. Go into any situation with your eyes wide open.</p>

<p>Three Sons -- or anyone else in the know -- How does your son like Union? Any first-year experiences to share? </p>

<p>Thanks</p>