<p>^Please do not pretend you see a difference between those who had ancestors who suffered under slavery / Jim Crow and those who do not. You basic argument is that economic status and not race should decide who gets preferences. You are also incapable of seeing how culture separates people in society and how it is valued.</p>
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<p>I do advocate socioeconomic preferences in lieu of racial preferences. I mention the “overrepresentation” of first- and second-generation black Americans to counter your claim that racial preferences are intended to remedy historical discrimination.</p>
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“I meant Black & Hispanic, (rounded). But my point is still made. The rest of your data is old and not worthy of comment.”</p>
<p>First you said Black, being rebuked, and then you said you ‘meant’ Black & Hispanic
- that’s comic and untruthful! </p>
<p>“your data is old and not worthy of comment”
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<p>“For the elite schools, Asians can’t have it both ways. They can’t be an ORM and claim blatant discrimination.”
Definition: discrimination, favoritism, favouritism - unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice</p>
<p>When highly qualified candidates been turned down just to give spots to favored lower qualified candidates – that is favoritism/discrimination.</p>
<p>The more blacks deny they are getting favoritism and deny they are getting free rides, the more law suits Asians will bring to court. </p>
<p>Looking at most blacks’ attitude on cc, it is clear we cannot abolish AA with debates only, we need to take it to court!! </p>
<p>California has proposition 209, but like the author’s conclusion in the article I mentioned in post 818, racial discrimination goes underground and he, who participated in the Application Reading, felt immoral. That says all. We need to take it to court to abolish AA nationwide and to make sure it is truly abandoned.</p>
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<p>4500 Black and Hispanics (estimated) have an SAT of over 2100. I assume you agree since you cannot attack the numbers and instead chose to play around with words. </p>
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<p>No you are confused. Your definition of qualified is different from that of Adcoms. A higher sat score by itself does not make one more qualified. I’ll post my thoughts on the SAT later.</p>
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<p>I don’t believe this is true. Please post, I will evaluate.</p>
<p>sosomenza,
"4500 Black and Hispanics (estimated) have an SAT of over 2100. I assume you agree since you cannot attack the numbers and instead chose to play around with words.
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<p>No, from the beginning, we were talking about Asians and Blacks only… from other thread. It is totally untruthful that even now you are claiming you ‘meant’ blacks and Hispanics. </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1536484-should-i-identify-asian-white-my-applications-2.html#post16240023[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1536484-should-i-identify-asian-white-my-applications-2.html#post16240023</a>
post #26 & 28</p>
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<p>Don’t give me that nonsense. You’re stuck permanently in 1963. You still think Governors do PR stunts by standing in front of university building doors and giving a show of preventing black students from entering. You still think white / black interracial marriage is taboo.</p>
<p>You may not be aware of this, but there’s this guy named Barack Hussein Obama II. He became President of the United States in 2008. He won the popular vote by a bigger margin than George W. Bush or Bill Clinton ever did, and he destroyed John McCain in the electoral vote. According to you, that should never have happened: America is a racist white country that would never elect a half-white, half-black individual as President. But it happened.</p>
<p>And you know what else happened? Barack Hussein Obama II won re-election in 2012. Did you know that? He still won the popular vote by a greater margin than did George W. Bush or Bill Clinton. And he still destroyed his opponent in the electoral vote. How can this happen, perazziman? According to you, we live in a racist white country that doesn’t accept blacks.</p>
<p>Oh, gee. I guess your view of the world is skewed and not founded in reality.</p>
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<p>As examples of perazziman’s beliefs, espoused in this thread, consider the following:</p>
<p>[In</a> any case, Blacks do not have the phenotype to be accepted into White culture…The American male may not be interested in socializing with [a black American female]. It is not her job to find out why.](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a-33.html#post15181398]In”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a-33.html#post15181398)</p>
<p>[Sub</a> Saharan Africa, far east Asia, native Australian and the Native American are definately not considered White. Therefore, people who belong to the European White culture will be reluctant to socialize and marry people who belong to these cultures.](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a-33.html#post15180732]Sub”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a-33.html#post15180732)</p>
<p>perazziman is clearly stuck permanently in the past. His America is not the America of 2013 or even 1993.</p>
<p>sosomenza,
"No you are confused. Your definition of qualified is different from that of Adcoms. A higher sat score by itself does not make one more qualified. I’ll post my thoughts on the SAT later. "</p>
<p>That’s why it is discrimination and made the Application Reader felt immoral. If you are so good, let’s abide with rules to remove name and race information and compete equally. </p>
<p>People are not blind, decision thread after decision thread everyone can see even combining GPA/SAT/EC/Leadership… all factors, Asian candidates who were rejected are still of higher achievement than many many admitted non-athlete blacks.</p>
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<p>??? Assuming I can decipher this mess. I think a main problem is that you think that discrimination in America has been conquered and the only one’s suffering are a few alleged percentage points of Asians , having to go to their second choice college. No, discriminations is alive and well and it’s an insult to those suffering to be a ORM and claim discrimination. All shades of discrimination are not equal and do not deserve the same attention.</p>
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<p>Like I said, you are also incapable of seeing how culture separates people in (American) society and how it is valued. You are incapable of seeing how Blacks, Hispanics and English speaking European Americans have very different cultures. Your whole argument is predicated on the notion that these difference do not exist or are undesirable. In your mind you have deluded yourself into thinking that white men and black women are dating each other at about the same rate as white men and women are dating each other.</p>
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<p>Consider this inflexibility to absorb and adjust another good reason why diversity might be a good idea. BTW, no one knows my intent but me. BTW 4500 top notch black and Hispanic students have pretty much proven that they do not need a holistic process at the elite schools.</p>
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<p>My argument against racial preferences does not rely whatsoever on the beliefs that there are no American subcultures or that they are undesirable. In fact, I have never said that there are no American subcultures, nor have I ever said they are undesirable.</p>
<p>To the contrary, I have repeatedly pointed out how you are wrong to assert that there is a singular, monolithic “white” culture that all white Americans share. Your continuing to assert that is evidence of how poorly you assimilated as an immigrant. Seinfeld and Larry the Cable Guy were both watched by mostly white audiences, but they were not the same audiences. This is incomprehensible to you because you cannot fathom the possibility that there could be additional subgroups within a subgroup.This is immensely ironic to me given that your ancestry is from the Indian subcontinent.</p>
<p>I never said that whites and blacks date each other at the same rate as whites date whites or blacks date blacks. I don’t have to, either; all I have to say is the truth: white / black interracial dating / marriage is not extraordinary in 2013. You think it’s still taboo, which is so divorced from reality that it amazes me that you haven’t been called out on this nonsense by more people.</p>
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<p>So you argue in favor of racial preferences…because?</p>
<p>"BTW, no one knows my intent but me. By 4500 top notch black and Hispanic students have pretty much proven that they do not need a holistic process at the elite schools. "</p>
<p>And your intention of using the number of blacks + Hispanics in the argument of Asians and Blacks is? ‘My friend’s dad is taller than your dad’? LOL</p>
<p>“they do not need a holistic process at the elite schools”
That’s perfect! Let’s promote to have applicants compete equally with name and race information removed.</p>
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<p>There is a higher frequency and acceptability of intermarriage between different White subgroups than interracial Black and White marriages. In fact it is very rare to meet a White person who claims a single heritage such as English or just middle or upper middle class. Most Whites will tell you they are Irish, Italian, German, English mixtures with parents from different economic backgrounds. </p>
<p>Therefore, once again I will say, you are incapable of seeing how culture separates people in (American) society and how it is valued. I find your opinion amusing because I do not know which ivory tower you are living in, but the statistics do not support your exaggerated notions of racial integration in America.</p>
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<p>Oh, the irony. I’ve already told you this once before; I even suggested that you ask your son to teach you, but you obviously didn’t. There was a time in American history where “whites” refused to associate with Irish, Italian, and German people. This too is incomprehensible to you, and it will forever remain a mystery to you why that was because you think of whites as a singular, monolithic group.</p>
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<p>Ladies and gentlemen, you heard it straight from the horse’s mouth: perazziman is still stuck in 1963’s America. Perhaps one day he will realize that we are in the 21st Century now.</p>
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<p>First of all, I see no ladies and gentlemen coming to your support. Secondly, produce intermarriage statistics for black women and white men.</p>
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<p>Blacks & Andean-Indian hispanics encounter harsher racism than European-hispanics. That is why the Hispanic category, as it is now defined, is a farce when a blonde-haired/blue-eyed kid of German-Argentinean grandparents gets to check the “Hispanic” box and gets to satisfy a college racial target, and gets preference over a poor Cambodian kid who’s parents are refugees from the Khmer Rouge genocide.</p>
<p>This is ‘diversity’ and ‘social justice’?</p>
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<p>But you see people affirming your distorted version of reality? Hmm.</p>
<p>[2010</a> Census statistics on interracial marriage](<a href=“Interracial marriage in the United States - Wikipedia”>Interracial marriage in the United States - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>There were 168,000 white husband / black wife couples as of 2010 as well as 390,000 black husband / white wife couples. Go on. Deny that those households exist.</p>