<p>I disagree with your fictional world where racism only rarely happens and all of our race problems will go away if we ignore them, but I’m not going to raise hell over it.</p>
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<p>Wrong again. I’m not commenting on perizamen because that would mean going back three pages to read your discussion with him.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, but I just don’t care enough to do that. And I don’t argue with positions I don’t think I understand fully.</p>
<p>But please, go on making baseless assumptions about the moral character of the people around you. It makes you look really cool.</p>
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<p>He might as well have if he thinks my disagreeing with his views mean I hold an “exaggerated view of racial integration in America.” I’m not saying there is no racism in 2013. I’m not saying there are not some people who are against interracial relationships in 2013. But those people become less and less common with each passing year.</p>
<p>There’s a clip on Youtube where a couple of people interview kids between the ages of 5 and 8, asking them what they thought of the recent Cheerios commercial showing a black husband / white wife couple with a child of that age group. The kids did not care one bit that the couple was mixed in racial classification. It was a total nonfactor. It’s only people from perazziman’s generation who care about that in a negative way or continue to think that there are taboos against interracial relationships.</p>
<p>I have no theory about the numbers. All I will say as an anecdote is that I chose not to try to date a black graduate student last year because I was trying to date someone else. When that didn’t work out, I found out I couldn’t date the other student because she was just taken…by a white guy. Sure, that’s just an anecdote, but in my view, perazziman is pushing a fictional version of America very far divorced from reality.</p>
<p>My husband laughed out loud!</p>
<p>I told him I was arguing with someone on the internet, which I do a lot. I said someone said black woman were valued equal to all others. Black women and their children. He values black woman more than any one I know; even more than I. But he laughed out loud.</p>
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<p>Didn’t you just straw man me about how you think I think there are no subgroup cultural differences within Americans? Wouldn’t you have to ignore those altogether for you to claim that (at least) 70% of black American women should be married to white American men, or else there’s an “integration problem”? Sheesh.</p>
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<p>I never said racism only rarely happens. I did say it isn’t as common in 2013 as it was in 1963, and I also said that it’s not a problem on a national level anymore, but I never said it only rarely happens. I also never said problems go away if we ignore them. I said racial preferences do not solve any of the problems you think they solve, yes, and that abolishing them allows us to actually get at the problems.</p>
<p>And if you aren’t going to raise hell over it, hmm, didn’t you write some really long posts a week or so back? :)</p>
<p>“Since 70% of men are white, it should be 70%”</p>
<p>It is not possible for 70% men in America (white) to all marry black women unless each woman has multiple husbands! Hahahaha</p>
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<p>Two obvious problems with that study are the simple fact that the children were probably l drawn from the same geographic location and haven’t yet been acculturated.</p>
<p>There is a systemic bias against blacks that pervades our legal system, our business, our social world, our education, our whatever-has-people here in America and the evidence suggests that this bias is fading away at a rate much less rapidly than desirable.</p>
<p>And your answer to that bias is to ignore it.</p>
<p>Lolk.</p>
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<p>That was for me, not for you, sweetie.</p>
<p>I know that there’s nothing I can say that can change what you think about blacks and affirmative action. And that’s okay. I just want to get in your head. Learn how you think. Enjoy your company.</p>
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<p>Before I go to sleep, all I’ll say is that this is a generational difference. I can’t link it, but search on Youtube for “Kids React to Controversial Cheerios Commercial.” Those kids, I think, give an indication of America’s future views on racial relations, and I think it’s a bright future.</p>
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<p>Well, to each his own.</p>
<p>"Before I go to sleep, all I’ll say is that this is a generational difference. "</p>
<p>^ Really? Maybe you should talk to the young men and women graduating in the traditionally black fraternities and sororities, my son, my nephews, and my daughter, and their friends. And that’s just the college grads.I know its just anecdotal; not scientific like Youtube.</p>
<p>Sleep tight!</p>
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<p>Thanks you are right… My point is that there would be a lot more like you, if there was full-integration (70% of Black women married to White men). However, that day is not here. So, in the meantime, I believe Blacks cannot be socially isolated in top colleges and made to feel they have to integrate with whites at schools where whites do not feel socially isolated if they do not integrate with Blacks.</p>
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<p>As far as I can tell, white subgroups in-marry about 20% to 30% of the time. In other words, 70% to 80% of the time they marry out side the group:</p>
<p>Intermarriage rates increased after the 1950s, especially among the third and fourth generations who were now coming of age. By 1991, the group’s overall in-marriage rate was just under 33 percent, above the average of 26 percent for other ethnic groups. But among those born after 1940—by now a majority—the rate was only 20 percent, and these marriages crossed both ethnic and religious lines. Once a marginalized, despised minority, Italian Americans are now among the most highly accepted groups according to national surveys measuring “social distance” indicators (Italians ranked fourteenth in 1926, but fifth in 1977). All of the statistical data point to a high level of structural assimilation in American society, although Italian American ethnicity has not disappeared. </p>
<p>Read more: [Italian</a> Americans - History, Early immigration, The emergence oflittle italies, Acculturation and Assimilation](<a href=“Italian Americans - History, Early immigration, The emergence oflittle italies, Acculturation and Assimilation”>Italian Americans - History, Early immigration, The emergence oflittle italies, Acculturation and Assimilation)</p>
<p>For all those who think that a given race is proven smarter because it does well on the SAT, consider the following. </p>
<p>1)Many do well on the SAT because they begin studying in the 8th grade spending hundreds if not thousands of hours on a test that was designed for very little study. </p>
<p>2)Many spend hundreds if not thousands of hours not studying but instead, memorizing old questions with the matching answer, hoping to get lucky and run into a test with a lot of recycled questions.</p>
<p>3)Many although they already have a sold score retake the test over and over, believing the higher the better. Nothing wrong there, but it does inflate the overall top scores of the race in question.</p>
<p>4)Many of the top scores are won by International candidates (by questionable means) thereby also inflating the top scores of by race.</p>
<p>The SAT has essentially been hijacked and is no longer reliable so if you’re harboring resentment because your SAT score is better then consider that it is likely are over inflated and just might not as good as you think they are. BTW The college Bd, knows this, which is why they’re changing the test.</p>
<p>sosomenza, Add the fact that schools in poor ethnic communities have to spend their resources on remedial education to prevent kids from dropping out, who keep falling behind because they work rather than take summer programs to improve their academic skills. In contrast schools in wealthy neighborhoods can afford to provide challenging courses to help their kids maintain academic skills developed in summer programs. So, it is no wonder there is a gap in SAT scores. </p>
<p>These problems are compounded in states that practice defacto segregation to prevent families in poor communities from moving into mainstream neighborhoods and take advantage of better schools. </p>
<p>I have shared with fabrizio my son’s example who graduated from a middle school in a poor ethnic community with a perfect GPA to start high school on the most rigorous track. However, when he tried to attend a rigorous high school in the neighboring wealthy school district, he was given the choice to either attend a weak (alternative) school that did not offer any AP level courses or attend the regular school with a recalculated GPA that placed him at the bottom of his class that would effectively make it impossible to earn a class rank to attend the flagship state uni.</p>
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<p>The Youtube clip is anecdotal too. If your children feel as you do, then that’s how they feel. It doesn’t change that the number of interracial marriages, along with the proportion relative to total marriages, has increased with each Census count going back to 1970. That is the reality. But you can choose to believe perazziman’s fiction if you find it more palatable.</p>
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<p>You really have no idea what you’re talking about. You made a big deal a few pages back about, quote, “how culture separates people in society and how it is valued.” You created a straw man about how I think such subgroup cultural differences are undesirable. For you to claim that 70% of black women should be married to white men would require you to disregard altogether “how culture separates people in society and how it is valued.”</p>
<p>Once again, you’re pushing your fictional version of America where whites don’t want to “integrate with blacks.” This is 2013, not 1963.</p>
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<p>You’re playing fast and loose with definitions here. Are you talking about interracial marriage? Or are you talking about intraracial, interethnic marriage? Because you were complaining about the former, but now you’re using the latter to justify your complaints about the former.</p>
<p>Also, I would like for you to explain why your source described Italian Americans as once being a “marginalized, despised minority.” How could that be, perazziman? According to your version of American history, whites are whites; they’ve always gotten along with each other. So how could they ever have been marginalized or despised?</p>
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<p>Who thinks that? Also, how does a “given race…[do] well on the SAT”? tokenadult really said it best several years ago, paraphrased: “Doing well on the SAT involves nothing more than bubbling in the right bubbles.” No racial classification has a monopoly on that.</p>
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<p>As I told you last year, I don’t support such practices; I condemn them. But I criticize you for being so self-righteous and hypocritical. You make a big deal about how you care deeply about the plight of poor blacks, but when you had a chance, you ran away from an underperforming school and rushed to “take advantage of better schools.” I don’t blame you for wanting the best for your son, but I do fault you for maintaining a hollow veneer of “caring about blacks” while running away.</p>
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<p>I have never suggested there isn’t “any” cultural differences among whites. I am simply suggesting that the differences are not great enough to prevent intermarriage between white subgroups. So why do you think intermarriage between blacks and whites is so much lower than it I between these white subgroups? In my opinion it is due to cultural differences. What do you think is the cause?</p>
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<p>I did not say why I moved so you are assuming why I moved. lol.</p>
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<p>The way to condemn them is by supporting legislation that stops them and takes the sting out of them not by telling others to stay in segregated neighborhoods and running your mouth against affirmative action.</p>
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<p>Yet you [insisted</a> on referring to “the white culture”](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a-33.html#post15194146]insisted”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a-33.html#post15194146) with the definite article, as if there’s only one “white culture.”</p>
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<p>Again, you’re playing fast and loose with definitions here. Are you talking about interracial marriage? Or intraracial, interethnic marriage? For almost all immigrant groups, both increase with each generation after the first. It isn’t surprising for a third-generation German American to have two German American parents, but including and after his generation, the likelihood that they marry non-German-Americans increases significantly.</p>
<p>When you’re third-generation, your parents were born and raised here. Even if they try to maintain some family traditions from their parents’ country of origin, it remains that the U.S. is their home, and so for their children, the third-generation, the grandparents’ country of origin becomes little more than an icebreaker or a novelty. Gee, is it any surprise that intraracial, interethnic marriage becomes more common?</p>
<p>I do not deny that in the past, there were cultural taboos and laws against interracial marriage. That is why I say you are stuck in 1963. But this is 2013. The fact is, since 1970, each Census count shows that interracial marriage has become more common. Just because you didn’t see much interracial dating when you were an international student doesn’t mean it isn’t out there.</p>
<p>I repeat that for you to claim that 70% of black women should be married to white men would require you to disregard entirely any cultural differences that exist between black and white Americans. I find this funny since you previously made a big deal about how important these differences are, and now you’re acting like they don’t exist.</p>