<p>Actually you did, back in post 377. It remains that when you had a chance, you ran away from a mostly “URM” school to “take advantage of better schools.” Again, I would have done the same thing were I in your shoes. But I wouldn’t act so self-righteously about how I care about the plight of poor blacks.</p>
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<p>Opposing racial preferences (oh, excuse me, “running my mouth against racial preferences”) and opposing arbitrary school transfer rules are wholly compatible. This is yet another thing that is incomprehensible to you.</p>
<p>I never told you to stay in a “segregated neighborhood.” I repeatedly said I would have done the same as you. I said it’s hypocritical for you to have ran away from one while deploring their existence.</p>
<p>So, when I said, “Actually, his mom (my wife) lost job in the middle of the 2009 recession and we had to relocate to a place closer to a new job.”, you understand it to mean I ran away. lol </p>
<p>fabrizio, if interracial marriage was truly accepted by society as normal, there would not have been such an uproar over the Cheerios commercial. To claim that it’s simply a generational thing by pointing to a group of young children ignores that very fact that they are young children. They have not yet been indoctrinated into the culture that frowns upon such relationships, because for the most part they have not yet been exposed to them.</p>
<p>I am part of an interracial marriage, and have been for 22 years. I am the product of an interracial marriage from the 60’s - one of very few lasting marriage among my parents’ group of college friends. Perhaps because of what they had to tolerate. If you believe that interracial dating is widely accepted, look at the areas of the country where the schools don’t hold proms, but parent groups sponsor race-specific proms (though I’m not sure which prom the Asian students attend).</p>
<p>Black families are still made to feel like interlopers if they more into otherwise all white neighborhoods. Young black males are still treated as if they don’t belong, when walking through those neighborhoods - the ones that live there might be known, but what of their friends who wish to visit? You deride Perazziman for not considering that there are many “white cultures” yet blacks in America are not generally given the same consideration - we too have many sub-cultures. Hispanics certainly have several as well, but they are more recognized at least in my area.</p>
<p>What you ask is to disassemble affirmative action, because you don’t like the way it works. I would argue against that, because while things have improved, the complete work is not done. Racial preferences that only benefit well-to-do URMs on the surface may be a problem, but not allowing race to a factor in admissions is not the answer. We need to ask why admission is not being offered to those you think should benefit - or is it being offered, but they are rejecting the offers? Are those who would benefit most ill-prepared to take advantage of the offer? </p>
<p>What do we do to rectify that? Do we radically change the education system, and stop pretending that all high school graduates are prepared for college? Do we maybe, instead of offering a free public education up to a certain age, change it to free until a certain educational level? And maybe fund it differently while we’re at it? Maybe even at the expense of current federal funding going toward post-secondary education? Perhaps the best level playing field is one where all have an opportunity to complete high school, and where that high school diploma means the same thing from school to school.</p>
<p>There is a white culture and it has subcultures. It is not a hard concept to grasp. I am not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding that a large number of Europeans identify themselves as members of a distinct common culture. There is very little segregation among European Americans at this time. It was not always this way. However, it is that way now. They inter-marrying at the expected 70% rate.</p>
<p>Yes, you had to relocate to a place that just so happened to have a “better school” in the form of a “mainstream competitive high school.” Sheer coincidence, I’m sure.</p>
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<p>OK, let’s go with this indoctrination thing. Who does the indoctrination? Isn’t it largely…the parents? There’s another (not-so-scientific) clip on Youtube, “Parents React To the Child Race Doll Test!!!” The children in that clip don’t seem to be older than the children in the Cheerios clip. Yet, you can clearly see that some of the children already hold negative views of blacks, while other children see people as individuals, not as members of racial classifications.</p>
<p>I believe that interracial dating is not the problem it was in your parents’ generation. We see this in the Census statistics: since 1970, the number of, and proportion relative to all marriages, interracial marriages has increased with each decade. Do you want to say that those figures don’t matter? That the rate of increase isn’t fast enough?</p>
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<p>No question whatsoever that there are many subcultures within black American culture. I criticize perazziman because he can’t connect the dots. If someone said that everyone in the Indian subcontinent is the same culturally, I’m sure perazziman would laugh and call such a statement unspeakably ignorant. Yet, perazziman thinks that there’s just “the white culture” here in the United States.</p>
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<p>The problem is that the intended beneficiaries largely don’t even apply to elite universities. The ones who do apply (and thus can reap the benefits) are the ones who come from professional, well-educated, middle class or higher families.</p>
<p>Great! It only took you eight months and a lot of denial, but I’m very pleased to see that you finally understand that there is no “the white culture.” I can tell that you are still loathe to admit that the notion of who is white in America has changed over the centuries, but still, progress is progress, and I applaud you when you make it.</p>
<p>So there is a notion of who is white in America. I am so happy you have come to this realization. lol. So is this notion of whiteness a social / cultural construct or a scientific concept? If cultural then whose culture, white culture or some other?</p>
<p>“I believe that interracial dating is not the problem it was in your parents’ generation. We see this in the Census statistics: since 1970, the number of, and proportion relative to all marriages, interracial marriages has increased with each decade. Do you want to say that those figures don’t matter? That the rate of increase isn’t fast enough?”</p>
<p>I don’t study the numbers like you do, but it SEEMS to me the trend away from considering the role of race in admissions has increased as well. Is that not so? Is it not fast enough?</p>
<p>Typical perazziman: denies a concept for eight months and then claims that he knew it all along.</p>
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<p>It’s a social construct. As I said, in the past, Irish, Italians, and Germans were all once not considered “white.” You do not understand why.</p>
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<p>It seems to me that that’s the case too. Your state was the first to abolish racial preferences in 1996. Washington followed in 1998. Then came Michigan in 2006. Next it was Nebraska in 2008. The last one, to my knowledge, was Arizona in 2010.</p>
<p>Wow; I’ve never thought of California as “my state” before.</p>
<p>And beyond the publics, I think the role of race is not nearly the slam dunk that some seem to think it is. IIRC, even the old, much bally-hooed paper about the “bonus points” said being an underrepresented minority played no role in the majority of schools.</p>
<p>Perhaps one day we will all be “racially ambiguous” . But not today.</p>
<p>lol. I get the feeling you are now going to start boring everyone with a lecture on how the Aryans were once considered white and the Mediterranean, celts, slavs and Jews etc were not.</p>
<p>Racial classification is not a “slam dunk,” and yes, only selective universities employ racial preferences. But, and this is something that has always peeved me, if you want to take the opposite view that racial classification barely helps at the schools that do use racial preferences, then…um…there’s no need for any school to have the policy.</p>
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<p>I bring this up because your entire narrative relies on the false premise that the U.S. is black and white, where all whites share the same singular culture, and whites don’t like blacks. Again, it is very humorous to me that your America is one without any Asians, even though you’re a Pakistani immigrant, and one without any Hispanics, even though you live in Texas.</p>
<p>" this is something that has always peeved me, if you want to take the opposite view that racial classification barely helps at the schools that do use racial preferences, then…um…there’s no need for any school to have the policy."</p>
<p>Yes, I know. After all, this is discussion #10, and post # 918, and we’ve both been here what seems like a very long time. Do you know what I usually say about now?</p>
<p>No, I think it’s hypocritical (and overbearingly self-righteous) to make a big show about how you care deeply about the plight of poor blacks, only to run away from a neighborhood and school that was mostly “URM” and go to a “better…mainstream competitive high school” the first chance you got. Whether I think that, however, has no bearing on why you choose to believe that America is a black and white country with no Asians and Hispanics, even though you yourself are Pakistani and thus Asian and you live in a state where there are many, many, many more Hispanics than blacks.</p>
<p>^I moved and believe that everyone should have the opportunity to do so without defacto segregation preventing them from doing it, so there is no hypocrisy. It would be hypocrisy if I moved and insisted that others should not be allowed to do so, but you would not understand.</p>