<p>^^Which makes the point that all this “racial” classification is nonsense. Why not ask if people are Italian or Greek? Just as dissimilar to White, Anglo Saxon America (if indeed there is such an animal.)</p>
<p>It would be more helpful to colleges to know if English is the first language of the parents than if the applicant can claim certain Federally standardized amounts of an heritage.</p>
<p>Alright, that makes more sense now. Thanks token. ;)</p>
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<p>Many colleges ask what languages are spoken in the applicant’s home, and what native language(s) the applicant has, and that begins to get at that issue. I’m not sure how systematically that is taken into account in the admission process, however.</p>
<p>Apropos of another thread I just saw, which states as of today have an announced policy of NOT considering race as a university admission factor? California, Michigan, and where else?</p>
<p>In case any of you were actually wondering, I have not posted in this thread up to now because it seems like everyone (including, admittedly, myself) is adamant and obstinate in their stances on the issue of racial affirmative action, and arguing here seems to be merely an exercise in tedium (albeit an entertaining one). So I will leave this thread with a proverb as food for thought:</p>
<p>Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.</p>
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<p>Washington and Nebraska passed similar initiatives in 1998 and 2008, respectively.</p>
<p>I believe Florida bars the use of racial classification as per a state executive order. For Georgia, neither UGA nor Georgia Tech claims to consider racial classification based on their Common Data Sets. Texas is the haziest to me, as from what I understand, they were allowed to, then forbidden to, then allowed to again.</p>
<p>^ I should have thought of executive orders as a source of law in this area. I’ll check those examples.</p>
<p>I’ll renew a question that I recall asking upthread: are there any colleges this year that are asking about student ethnicity in any other way than a two-part question first asking yes or no about Hispanic ethnicity and then asking on a “choose one or more” basis about race? That form of question would be expected if the college is following the current federal regulation. </p>
<p>Good luck to all of you applying now.</p>
<p>An interesting higher education access timeline from the website of the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education: </p>
<p>[JBHE:</a> Timeline of Affirmative Action](<a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/timeline.html]JBHE:”>http://www.jbhe.com/timeline.html)</p>
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<p>Did the person who responded your question look up the federal definitions first? </p>
<p>[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm) </p>
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<p>I think the person who replied to you didn’t completely understand the point of your question, if what I see quoted above is exactly what each of you said in the conversation. It’s true enough that ethnic categories are based on self-identification, and you don’t have to be 100 percent of one heritage to mark off that heritage on an ethnicity questionnaire. But it would be an error to use identification with Moroccan culture as a basis for marking “African American,” because Morocco is in North Africa, so even 100 percent Moroccan persons are categorized as “white” by the federal definitions. </p>
<p>You may want to clarify this with a question focused on that issue before submitting your applications, just so that no one will accuse you of doing something dishonest when you just weren’t getting a correct answer to a question. Asking the question directly as “Does your college classify a self-identified Moroccan person as ‘white’ or ‘black’?” to several different colleges should turn up what the current consensus is, and I hope that consensus fits the longstanding federal definitions, which may or may not be a good idea, but are the law. Colleges ought to be following the federal definitions in this regard rather than making up their own definitions. </p>
<p>Good luck on your applications.</p>
<p>You’re assuming that what they put as race (AA) is what got them into the schools.</p>
<p>If North African people are routinely being reported out to the federal government as “African American” by colleges, the colleges aren’t following the federal regulation on how they should be reporting. </p>
<p>[U.S</a>. Department of Education; Office of the Secretary; Final Guidance on Maintaining, Collecting, and Reporting Racial and Ethnic Data to the U.S. Department of Education [OS]](<a href=“http://www.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/other/2007-4/101907c.html]U.S”>http://www.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/other/2007-4/101907c.html) </p>
<p>Pizzagirl is correct that we don’t know on the basis of anecdotes why people are admitted to selective colleges. (Similarly, we don’t know on the basis of anecdotes why people are not admitted.) It may be that the colleges said, “Look, here is another student who mistakenly marked ‘African American’ even though that category doesn’t fit North Africans” but counted that as one mistake by the student that could be overcome by everything else in the student’s admission file. We don’t know, if the fact of connection to some North African country was mentioned by a student, whether or not the college regarded that as a selection factor at all.</p>
<p>I have some emails out to college officers (who seem mostly to be out of the office today, the day after Thanksgiving) to the point that has just come up. </p>
<p>Good luck to everyone finishing up applications to more colleges this weekend.</p>
<p>I’m confused on one thing, and I’m sure its mentioned somewhere in here so sorry I am asking.</p>
<p>I am doing my ApplyTexas applications, and they ask me if I am Hispanic, and I put yes, because I am. They then ask for me to pick the race that I identify the most with. Do I still put White. It is because ethnicity and race are two different things right?</p>
<p>My dad invited many of his old college/high school friends over to our house for thanksgiving. His friends came from as far as 500 miles away.(NOTE: my dad attended college in china, so these are his classmates who are in america right now.)</p>
<p>6 families came are at my house right now; they were all friends of my dad, and Chinese, like us. They were all rich, and they were all doctors, professors researchers…etc. So as i was taking with the kids that came. They were really fun, we chatted and played COD a lot. There were 13 kids in all; 5 were in college/graduated. One was a doctoral student from china who’s studying here on a scholarship. Another was a girl who graduated from Cornell, and was attending med school. There was a boy ONLY 16 YEARS OLD attending Harvard(freshman). Also some kid attending UPenn’s Wharton school. The last kid was attending Rice. Of course, my parents talked about us(the kids) during dinner, and after the dinner party, my dad started talking about how important school was and how i should look up to those ivy leaguers.
All these smart people have been making me feel really depressed. I’m pretty smart(ranked 10/600, taking SAT soon and have been getting 2200+ on pratice tests), but i don’t think i’m smart enough to get into harvard, or cornell.
My question is this: While the average SAT scores for asians are only higher by <100 points, the sd is the highest. Dose this mean that there are basically 2 types of Asians: Rich asians who score really high, and poor kids who score really low? I was agruing with my dad, and he thinks that this is true. Anyway, dose this mean that if you are rich and asian, you are a failure if you don’t score high on the SAT?</p>
<p>EDIT: My thoughts get a little unorganized in this post. Sorry if it doesn’t make sense or answer your questions.</p>
<p>Well, I’m asian myself but this is exactly what I hate about other asians, which isn’t to say that I hate all asians but when I do hate an asian person it is usually because of this. It’s their narrow approach to success and intelligence. I know parents who would think of their child as unsuccessful if he became a great poet because he isn’t rich and he didn’t go to a good school.</p>
<p>Anyways, I don’t think you’re looking for an actual answer to your questions but I personally don’t think wealth equates to high SATs. I know scores of people, mostly asians, that are in some kind of business and are well off because of it but could not formulate or articulate a liquid thought. Just syllogistic-ally, it doesn’t work out right? Try it. It would make no sense. SAT+Wealth=asian and success=asian+wealth iff SAT? (Btw, <– isn’t going to be a correct syllogism).</p>
<p>Also, I try not to equate success with intelligence when speaking of asians. The reason for this is because the opportunities are so limited in Asian countries that it’s not really the cream that rises to the top. Rather, you have people who just kind of lucked out at birth. This is even more true when you go outside of China to the countries who’re in even worse shape.</p>
<p>OK, I wrote a few other paragraphs but I deleted them. There’s supposed to be another paragraph in between each existing paragraph I feel like this post has gone on for too long and I’m too tired to organize my thought. So I’m really sorry if this is all over the place and doesn’t even relate to your original post.</p>
<p>I guess it just means that well educated and smarter Asians often make more money. As a result, their children (who will be rich and usually moderately intelligent) will be able to score high on the SAT.
The sd (score difference?) could be caused by the fact that almost all wealthy Asians value education and would willingly spend money to improve their children’s academics. As a result many rich Asians will do better on the SAT, since many of them prepped a lot for it.</p>
<p>^I don’t think that success has that much to do with birth, at least in Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, South Korea, and other developed Asian countries. The academic system there is test based, and gives a much more fair chance of getting into good colleges and therefore getting good jobs. It’s possible that other Asian countries could be different.</p>
<p>I cannot answer this thread becasue I’m not Chinese & i’ve yet to be accepted to an ivy. sorry</p>
<p>mannn idk but i’m chinese and applying to all 8 ivy leagues (yale early action)</p>
<p>I always say, if you want to be rich, sing or run. You’ll earn much more money by becoming a pop star or an athlete.</p>