<p>Haha, it continues.
You dont get it.
Indeed, Grutter is cited in Parents Involved.
Anyone interested can follow the above link and see the context.
And, in the posting history here, see how quotes, taken out of context - and re-formed into supposed positions- can be seriously misleading.</p>
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<p>If by “get[ting] it,” you mean I’m supposed to interpret “The Elites want representation of a wide variety of highly accomplished students, and they want those from the 4 corners of the globe” as "The Elites want racial / ethnic diversity, then no, I don’t “get it,” and I never will. I’m talking about different talents, interests, and ideas as the drivers of diversity; you’re talking about different levels of melanin in our skin as the driver of diversity. Who’s on the wrong side of history here?</p>
<p>How about an answer to the question? What flaws do you see with “affirmative action,” your preferred term for “racial preferences”? If you don’t want to answer it, fine. But don’t say that I “missed [my] chance to ask [an admissions reader].”</p>
<p>Even, if you’re genetically Asian-- if you’re culturally white, and speak only English, you should consider checking the “white” box – or even checking only the white box – because arguably culturally and ethnically, you’re assimilated into white culture, and you’re every bit as American as the other white kids.</p>
<p>(in America, only white people are considered true Americans, so this is one way of achieving justice in the face of odds stacked against you.)</p>
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<p>I disagree because I don’t believe there is a “white culture.” It was not that long ago when whites were further subcategorized and treated differently depending on their religion or ancestry. I encourage anyone who is skeptical about how racial classification is used in admissions to decline self-identification. Don’t check white in a mistaken belief that white is American; it wasn’t, isn’t, and given fertility rates by ethnicity in the United States, it certainly won’t be in the near future.</p>
<p>The book The History of White People </p>
<p>[Amazon.com:</a> The History of White People (9780393049343): Nell Irvin Painter: Books](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/History-White-People-Irvin-Painter/dp/0393049345]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/History-White-People-Irvin-Painter/dp/0393049345) </p>
<p>has a good discussion of how recent and how fluid the concept of “white” people is historically, and how that has played out in United States history. (The author goes all the way back to ancient Greece to trace some of the ideas.) </p>
<p>Yeah, if you are part of humankind, as I believe all participants in this thread must be, then you have the right to indicate no “race” category at all, as the law permits.</p>
<p>I have a dilemma. I do not know what to identify myself as for race.</p>
<p>My mother is from Ecuador. My father is Polish American. I look hispanic. The only extended family I have is my mother’s family, including an Abuelo who only speaks spanish, and our main cultural customs, if not “American,” are Ecuadorian. However, I myself cannot speak spanish, and my last name is Americanized Polish because of my father. </p>
<p>Is it dishonest just to put down Hispanic? I would want to recognize all sides of my heritage, but I fear that by putting White-European in addition to Latino only hurts my chances, and if anything our customs are not Polish. Any advice is appreciated!</p>
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<p>I would say no, but there was a [discussion</a> this past Summer](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1162499-nytimes-race-question-apps-perplexes-multiracial-students.html]discussion”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1162499-nytimes-race-question-apps-perplexes-multiracial-students.html) where a representative from MIT argued that it is dishonest to only self-identify as a “URM” if the student is a multiethnic “URM.”</p>
<p>Don’t forget that you have the right to decline self-identification if you so choose.</p>
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<p>that’s not my belief, but that’s just how the system works.</p>
<p>fight back. use self-identification as a form of protest.</p>
<p>An op-ed piece: </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/opinion/for-indian-tribes-blood-shouldnt-be-everything.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/opinion/for-indian-tribes-blood-shouldnt-be-everything.html</a></p>
<p>mrbrightside4,</p>
<p>Your mother is from Ecuador - you have a legitimate claim to Hispanic - you can use it if you wish and it is not in anyway less than truthful.</p>
<p>You can also say multi-racial or bi-racial as my children did.</p>
<p>Washington Post: [Affirmative-action</a> foes urge Supreme Court to take Texas case](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/affirmative-action-foes-want-court-to-take-texas-case/2011/12/16/gIQAbyoA3O_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop]Affirmative-action”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/affirmative-action-foes-want-court-to-take-texas-case/2011/12/16/gIQAbyoA3O_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop):</p>
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<p>Do you guys think being an URM (AA) with a 2150 and a 3.9 UW for Junior and senior year puts me in the running for stanford even with a 2.4 gpa from sophomore year? 2150 is 99+ percentile for my ethnicity.</p>
<p>My UW GPA not counting the class I had to repeat from sophomore year is a 3.64.</p>
<p>I don’t think that is enough to put you in or out of the running. Stanford seems to be about a lot of things PLUS GPA and standardized test scores. But you should use your GPA calculated as Stanford does. Not sure if they use freshman grades, but using senior grades would be pretty unusual.</p>
<p>Is Taiwanese considered as a pacific islander? Since I’m self reporting, I can say that I consider myself as a pacific islander right, because technically Taiwan is a “pacific island”. Do colleges see this as being dishonest and do they reject Taiwanese applicants who do so?</p>
<p>Also, I am native there. My ancestors never come from China. Can colleges even check that?</p>
<p>I just used silverturtle’s self chancing tool and I’m disappointed to say that I have less than 1% of a chance of getting into an Ivy. so out of pure curiosity, I changed my race from asian to black which increased the chances to 55%!!! and then to hispanic which was 40%!</p>
<p>I didn’t change anything else! if this is indeed true, thats discrimination!</p>
<p>here;s the tool: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1028647-silverturtles-self-chancing-excel-tool.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1028647-silverturtles-self-chancing-excel-tool.html</a></p>
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<p>All persons from Taiwan are regarded as “Asian” for the federal race categories, including persons whose ancestors were Taiwan aboriginals who never lived on the mainland of Asia during historical times. (The same is true of Japan, the Philippines, and Indonesia, all countries with territory on islands in the Pacific Ocean.) See the FAQ posts among the first dozen or so posts in this long thread for more details. </p>
<p>Any applicant can decline to mark any of the race categories on a college application. That’s federal law (that students are permitted not to tell, even though colleges are required to ask) and plenty of students decide to identify with all of humankind, or at least don’t actively identify with any subset of humankind. Some colleges admit quite a few students whose race is unknown. </p>
<p>[U-CAN:</a> Harvard University](<a href=“ucan-network.org”>ucan-network.org)</p>
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<p>Was the tool ever subjected to a validation study? How did the tool’s author rate his own chances?</p>
<p>No idea… yeah I really hope its off because I just paid for the application fee. -___-"</p>
<p>There is no chance of supreme court ever overturning the Texas law since it is deemed equitable to all races, poorer school districts, low performing schools etc. If supreme court does, all Texas would do is eliminate the 5-10% of seats where race is only one of the factors and merge them into the pool where only top 10% counts since something like 80% of the seats are given on top 10% basis anyway. People forget this is portion where other factors are considered controls the sports quota.</p>
<p>silverturtle was admitted to Columbia and Brown and waitlisted at Princeton (turned down by others) and went to Brown. Since the tool only predicts whether you are Ivy worthy and he had two perfect scores (SAT and ACT), he did make the cut.</p>