<p>Fudge! There goes my $75 -___-"</p>
<p>What sort of factor is Asian race/ethnicity in Silverturtle’s self-chancing tool, btw?
I thought it was based on historical data, obviously not complete…</p>
<p>The spreadsheet seems to add points for race while keeping 0 as baseline for Asians.</p>
<p>AAAH- I get it.</p>
<p>I just ran a profile for my Asian kid which returned over 50% chance. I can validate it in April assuming the applications ever get filed!</p>
<p>ridiculous, considering that Taiwanese aboriginals and Hawaiians come from the same stock: Austronesians.</p>
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<p>Again showing how arbitrary these racial classifications are. I reiterate both my disagreement that people should self-identify in disregard of the classifications’ definitions and my support for anyone who is skeptical about how racial classification is used or whether it should be used to decline self-identification.</p>
<p>[Takao</a> Ozawa v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takao_Ozawa_v._United_States]Takao”>Ozawa v. United States - Wikipedia)</p>
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<p>Supreme court cases to keep to heart when noting down your “classifications”</p>
<p>I just have a quick question. Both my grandparents from my mother’s side were born and raised in Hawaii. My grandmother’s mom was Japanese, and my grandmother’s dad was Native Hawaiian. My grandmother told me that he was Native Hawaiian because he was entitled to land from the government as well as his own genealogy. My grandfather’s parents have very little Native Hawaiian descent, and are mainly Portuguese.
On my father’s side, it’s just Western European descent.
My question is: Should I mark Native Hawaiian, Japanese, and White? I identify with the mixture of Japanese and Hawaiian culture my grandparents brought from Hawaii(my grandparents lived in Hawaii for, I think, the first 20 years of their life, then moved to California). Will I have to show proof of this descent, and if so, how?
I am not actively involved in the promotion of Hawaiian culture; my family and I just sort of live our lives. Will this lack of activity within the community be an issue in marking either Japanese or Hawaiian?
I do identify with the culture, so I really do not want to mark just “white” or decline to answer. Help! Applications are due soon!</p>
<p>^ Yes, applications are due soon for regular action admission decisions at many colleges. Good luck to everyone applying. </p>
<p>In the case mentioned immediately above, I hazard no prediction about what a college would say if all three “race” designations, white, Asian, and Hawaiian, were checked on an application, but that seems to fit the definitions on the facts described. Another possibility, as said repeatedly in this thread, is not marking any category at all. What you say on your application should always make a case for what you have to add to a new entering class at the college of your choice, which may or may not have anything to do with your race or ethnicity.</p>
<p>this is not a tribal casino revenue splitting application. just say you’re hawaiian.</p>
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<p>so what? a lot of Asian kids don’t actively participate in Asian culture yet they are unfairly discriminated against.</p>
<p>stick it to the (white) man yo.</p>
<p>also racially-motivated admissions policies over the years have shown themselves to be hypocritical time and time again, cherry-picking parts of your background to use against you if you’re Asian.</p>
<p>if you’re of Asian geography but not Asian genetics, they use that against you.
if you’re of Asian culture but not geography or genetics, that’s used against you too.</p>
<p>If your geography and your culture are both Hawaiian, why not just say you’re Hawaiian? If your geography and culture were Asian you’d know they’d hijack that against you.</p>
<p>Here’s just dome food for thought. I’m AA, I go to a good school, and I have numerical stats at the top of my class. (GPA - 4.3, SAT - 2340.) </p>
<p>I happen to think that ethnic diversity is important, and here’s why:
My classes (all AP) are all white/asian. You have no idea how happy I was when, for the first time ever, there was another black kid in one of my classes. My school district uses the GT system, and, in elementary school, I was the only black kid in the program in my grade out of 5 classes of ~31 students each. In middle school, I was the only black kid in the GT program out of ~300 students. </p>
<p>While my classes enjoy intellectual diversity, which enables us to have excellent discussions and learning, and I love my classmates, I am often astonished at the things that come out of their mouth when it comes to race. The problem: they have never been around URM’s. If I had a nickel for every time someone said the n-word, I would have my college education already paid for. They say it right in front of me, too. And, when I tell them that I find it offensive, they ask me why. I have been told that I am ‘too sensitive’, when people say things like this and that it is only a joke. People tell me that I am ‘not really black’ because I am taking AP classes and make straight A’s. Have you ever been called an ‘oreo’? It’s not very nice. </p>
<p>At my school, people treat racial slurs casually, as if they are all jokes. I have never heard a slur used in this way by a URM. At my school, my URM friends treat slurs as that- slurs that should not be said to other people. My friends in regular classes, where there are more URM’s, recognize this, as well. It is only my high-achieving friends, who, do not recognize this as an issue. </p>
<p>I sincerely hope that my AP friends will be around many URMs in college. They need to learn that it is not cute to reach out and pet a black person’s natural hair because it looks bouncy. It is a valuable life skill to be able to interact with other people in a manner that does not make you look like a bigot or look woefully uninformed about the other person’s culture. </p>
<p>All of you adults probably know that, in the workplace, it is not okay to use the n-word and other racial slurs casually. My AP classmates do not know this. They haven’t learned it from the internet, they haven’t learned it in life, and they need to know it. </p>
<p>College is for teaching life skills as well as academic ones. What good is a degree if you get sued for racial harassment your first day on the job?</p>
<p>My classmates are not mean people, they just don’t know because they haven’t been exposed. I can’t speak for everybody, but, consider the racial makeup of AP classes in your local school. In your area, when the n-word is said, is it accompanied by laughs more often, or by awkward silence? </p>
<p>If the makeup of my AP classes was like the makeup of a college, then my classmates would graduate unprepared for real life. </p>
<p>Nothing has worked in my school district so far to combat this social deficit, save for have people interact more with people of other races (accomplished in regular classes). If anyone has a way to remedy this issue without more racial diversity, please speak up.</p>
<p>Forcing the existence of a bunch of races and cultures in the same school doesn’t mean that you get a multicultural student body. In fact what you often get is a lot of self-segregation and plural monoculturalism.</p>
<p>But what are colleges to do? I don’t think forcing students to take classes would work… That would eat up all electives. Students need to know what is okay to say to others and what is not okay. Schools, it seems to me, are in a double bind. Either they encourage racial diversity and they face public backlash, or their students may graduate without being socially prepared to interact with others. What to do?</p>
<p>Your post is similar to what you wrote in post #215. Hence, my reply will be similar too: you’re treated the way you are because many of your classmates view you as a member of a group instead of an individual.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, who are your classmates who say you are “not really black” or call you an “oreo”? They’re the ones who met you AFTER elementary school or AFTER middle school, right? The ones you’ve known since elementary school, do they say those things to you?</p>
<p>You say you do have “‘URM’ friends.” How many "URM"s are in your high school outside of the GT system? If there are many "URM"s in your high school, but your classmates don’t associate with them, what makes you think that your classmates will associate with their “URM” peers in college?</p>
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<p>Teach students to view people as individuals, not members of groups. I’d bet that all of your classmates who call you an “oreo” or “not really black” support “affirmative action”; I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Their parents taught them to view people as members of groups, and they do.</p>
<p>Hire diverse professors.</p>
<p>(And as far as professors go, I believe Asians are still an URM.)</p>
<p>I have a while until I need to worry about college applications. But nonetheless, I have been pulling my hair out of my head worrying about being discriminated against due to being an overrepresented minority (I don’t actually know what I would be considered). </p>
<p>Someone probably answered this somewhere in the 38 pages, but I stopped after the 12th page. I am 100% Pakistani. I am, however, a natural born United States citizen, and both of my parents are citizens of the US. Although Pakistan is geographically in the Indian subcontinent, it’s position in the world has caused it to arise as a major factor in the Middle East. According to the census.gov, I believe Middle Eastern is white? But some colleges say the Asian category encompasses all of the Indian subcontinent. </p>
<p>I would really very much prefer to put “white” rather than Asian and be tossed in with all of the grossly overrepresented minorities… But is that even possible? Can I safely put “white” on a college application without people raising eyebrows?</p>
<p>Also, to reiterate a point I previously made, Pakistan is explicitly referred to as part of the “Greater” Middle East by the United States Census Bureau. </p>
<p>Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!</p>
<p>^Did you see the part in the FAQs about declining to state?</p>