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<p>and that means Onondaga Community College, right? On that college’s website, I don’t see any ethnic restrictions on admission, certainly, nor do I see any for enrolling in specific courses.</p>
<p>Have any colleges already posted their application forms for high school class of 2010?</p>
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<p>[Marietta</a> College](<a href=“http://admission.marietta.edu/html/hs/index.html]Marietta”>http://admission.marietta.edu/html/hs/index.html) in Ohio has their application online:</p>
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<p>The wording on the ‘[Optional</a> Information](<a href=“http://admission.marietta.edu/html/hs/FreshApp.pdf]Optional”>http://admission.marietta.edu/html/hs/FreshApp.pdf)’ section is as follows:</p>
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<p>Thanks for the link to the application form. I wonder if that will be revised soon to fit the new federal regulation. </p>
<p>The soon-to-be Common Application </p>
<p><a href=“https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/Docs/2009-10CommonApp_highlightedUpdates.pdf[/url]”>https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/Docs/2009-10CommonApp_highlightedUpdates.pdf</a> </p>
<p>is an example of a form that fits the new federal regulation by asking about Hispanic ethnicity before asking about “race.”</p>
<p>I recently took stock of all the GPA’s and SAT scores of those who posted on the Princeton RD Thread. I thought it might be interesting to future applicants to see the results. Below is some information about how I gathered the data.</p>
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<li>All GPA’s given are unweighted.<br></li>
<li>When GPA was not given, class rank was used.</li>
<li>SAT scores may be superscored.</li>
<li>ACT scores were converted using this chart: [SAT-ACT</a> Conversion chart](<a href=“http://www.spartanburg6.k12.sc.us/dhs/Guidance%20website/SAT-ACT%20Conversion%20chart.html]SAT-ACT”>http://www.spartanburg6.k12.sc.us/dhs/Guidance%20website/SAT-ACT%20Conversion%20chart.html).</li>
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<p>Overall Results</p>
<p>Total Applicants: 91
Number Accepted (Percent): 43 (47.3%)
Number Waitlisted (Percent): 18 (19.8%)
Number Rejected (Percent): 30 (33.0%)</p>
<p>Contrast the above with the fact that Princeton’s acceptance rate for all applicants was 9.79 percent. This indicates both the self-selecting nature of the posters and the difference in the quality of the average applicant who posts on College Confidential.</p>
<p>Asian Applicants</p>
<p>Applicants: 24
Number Accepted (Percent): 10 (41.7%)
Number Waitlisted (Percent): 5 (20.8%)
Number Rejected (Percent): 8 (33.3%)</p>
<p>Asian Applicants Sorted by SAT Scores in Descending Order</p>
<p>Accepted (Average SAT: 2327, Average GPA (When given): 3.94)
2400 SAT, 3.94 GPA
2390 SAT, 3.98 GPA
2360 SAT, 3.96 GPA
2340 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2340 SAT, 3.91 GPA
2330 SAT, 1/333 Class Rank
2310 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2300 SAT, 3.90 GPA</p>
<p>Waitlisted (Average SAT: 2312, Average GPA (When given): 4.00, which is surprising)
2370 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2360 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2360 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2340 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2130 SAT, 4.0 GPA</p>
<p>Rejected (Average SAT: 2301, Average GPA (When given): 3.92)
2400 SAT, 3/425 Class Rank
2360 SAT, No other information given
2340 SAT, 1/323 Class Rank
2340 SAT, 3.79 GPA
2330 SAT, 3.96 GPA
2320 SAT, 9/315 Class Rank
2310 SAT, 3.90 GPA
2220 SAT, 3.96 GPA
2090 SAT, 4.0 GPA</p>
<p>White Applicants</p>
<p>Applicants: 39
Number Accepted (Percent): 15 (38.5%)
Number Waitlisted (Percent): 11 (28.2%)
Number Rejected (Percent): 13 (33.3%)</p>
<p>White Applicants Sorted by SAT Scores in Descending Order</p>
<p>Accepted (Average SAT: 2289, Average GPA (When given): 3.94)
2400 SAT, 4.00 GPA
2400 SAT, No other information given
2370 SAT, 3.98 GPA
2350 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2330 SAT, 3.91 GPA
2300 SAT, 1/63 Class Rank
2300 SAT, 3.8 GPA
2300 SAT, 3.96 GPA
2300 SAT, 3.99 GPA
2270 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2240 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2230 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2210 SAT, 3.8 GPA
2210 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2130 SAT, Top 10%</p>
<p>Waitlisted (Average SAT: 2284, Average GPA (When given): 3.94)
2390 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2370 SAT, 3.97 GPA
2340 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2320 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2320 SAT, 3.87 GPA
2300 SAT, 3.89 GPA
2230 SAT, 3.9 GPA
2200 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2180 SAT, 3.95 GPA
2160 SAT, 3.91 GPA
2130 SAT, 3.9 GPA</p>
<p>Rejected (Average SAT: 2218, Average GPA (When given): 3.92)
2400 SAT, 3/425 Class Rank
2360 SAT, No other information given
2340 SAT, 1/323 Class Rank
2370 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2360 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2360 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2340 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2130 SAT, 4.0 GPA 2370 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2360 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2360 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2340 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2130 SAT, 4.0 GPA 2340 SAT, 3.79 GPA
2330 SAT, 3.96 GPA
2320 SAT, 9/315 Class Rank
2310 SAT, 3.90 GPA
2220 SAT, 3.96 GPA
2090 SAT, 4.0 GPA</p>
<p>Hispanic Applicants</p>
<p>Applicants: 3
Number Accepted (Percent): 2 (66.6%)
Number Waitlisted (Percent): 0 (0%)
Number Rejected (Percent): 1 (33.3%)</p>
<p>Hispanic Applicants Sorted by SAT Scores in Descending Order</p>
<p>Accepted (Average SAT: 2180, Average GPA (When given): None given)
2220 SAT, 2/772 Class Rank
2140 SAT, 7/603 Class Rank</p>
<p>Rejected (Average SAT: 2340, Average GPA (When given): 4.00)
2340 SAT, 4.0 GPA (Potential explanation for result: Applicant had no community service/volunteering on application)</p>
<p>African American Applicants</p>
<p>Applicants: 7
Number Accepted (Percent): 5 (71.4%)
Number Waitlisted (Percent): 0 (28.2%)
Number Rejected (Percent): 2 (28.6%)</p>
<p>African American Applicants Sorted by SAT Scores in Descending Order</p>
<p>Accepted (Average SAT: 2156, Average GPA (When given): 3.91)
2330 SAT, 3.85 GPA
2230 SAT, 3.95 GPA
2210 SAT, 4.0 GPA
2150 SAT, 3.8 GPA
1860 SAT, 3.96 GPA</p>
<p>Rejected (Average SAT: 2150, Average GPA (When given): 3.85)
2230 SAT, 3.8 GPA
2070 SAT, 3.89 GPA</p>
<p>There was one applicant who was Native American. He or she had a 3.61 unweighted GPA and a 2070 on the SAT and was rejected.</p>
<p>Overall Statistics
SAT Scores
Average SAT Score among all Applicants: 2206
Average SAT Score among Accepted Applicants: 2273
Average SAT Score among Waitlisted Applicants: 2293
Average SAT Score among Rejected Applicants: 2241</p>
<p>Average Accepted SAT Scores by Race (Difference from average of all applicants accepted)
Asians: 2327 (+54)
Whites: 2289 (+16)
Hispanics: 2180 (-93)
African Americans: 2156 (-117)</p>
<p>GPA (Stats only include those who shared GPAs)
Average GPA among all Applicants: 3.93
Average GPA among Accepted Applicants: 3.93
Average GPA among Waitlisted Applicants: 3.96
Average GPA among Rejected Applicants: 3.90</p>
<p>Average Accepted GPAs by Race (Difference from average of all applicants accepted)
Asians: 3.94 (+.01)
Whites: 3.94 (+.01)
Hispanics: No data
African Americans: 3.91 (-.02)</p>
<p>The small sample size of minority applicants should be noted when making conclusions. It should also be noted that the data above do not indicate the strength of other portions of the applicants applications, such as recommendations, SAT Subject Test scores, first-generation status, recruited athlete status, interview, rigor of coursework, location, extracurricular activities, work experience, legacy status, and community service. </p>
<p>The data show that the SAT scores and GPAs of waitlisted applicants are, on average, higher than those who are accepted. This supports the idea that schools consider both waitlisted applicants and accepted applicants prepared academically. Waitlisting of white applicants was the most common, with 28.2 percent of white applicants being waitlisted. 20.8 percent of Asian applicants were waitlisted. None of the 11 URM applicants were waitlisted. </p>
<p>Interpret these data as you want. I hope everyone finds this useful and/or interesting!</p>
<p>I honestly don’t understand why this is even being posted. Like you said, these are self-reported statistics out of thousands of applicants. There are many unknown variables. I really hate it when people post these kind of data. I have done admissions as well as fellowship selection and I can assure that there are many factors beyond numbers that are relevant in decisions of who gets selected and who doesn’t.</p>
<p>“I can assure that there are many factors beyond numbers that are relevant in decisions of who gets selected and who doesn’t.”</p>
<p>I noted the same in post four. In spite of this significant limitation, the data are not meaningless and thus can serve to inform those who are interested in looking at the results.</p>
<p>Good post!</p>
<p>I don’t think you can conclude anything from this information.</p>
<p>Ok, so maybe it’s not the most statistically accurate survey in the world, but it was still interesting to look at - thanks for taking the time to put it together</p>
<p>No problem.</p>
<p>I disagree with lmpw a ton – I was about to say the polar opposite.</p>
<p>THANK YOU for posting this – it was incredibly a great insight, and I really appreciated looking and sort of processing this info.</p>
<p>Looks like I’ve got to get my SAT score up a ton seeing as I’m Asian and hoping for Princeton, lol.</p>
<p>If there is another school for which there is a results thread that someone wants me to analyze, I can do so. I am considering comparing the breakdowns for SCEA to RD for Yale or Stanford.</p>
<p>In an effort to examine the idea that many have about early action being mostly for hooked applicants, I’ll be posting an analysis of Yale SCEA later. It might take a while; there are 254 posts.</p>
<p>what’s your analysis on this?
data is pointless without a conclusion drawn…</p>
<p>I recall seeing similar analysis in the Yale forum for both SCEA and RD. If you can find it, it might give you a jumpstart on doing your own number-crunching. </p>
<p>I think we’re all able to recognize the shortcomings of self-reported data, but I think your stats compilation is very interesting.</p>
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<p>Did you not take your high school’s AP statistics course? You should know why that is not a valid procedure for gathering data on the issue you are interested in. </p>
<p>(Thread merged with the main FAQ thread on “race” in college admission. Be sure to check the first few posts in this FAQ thread for links to official information for applicants.)</p>