<p>There are always exceptions. My daughter knows a female student that got low scores for Yale, great grades, AP scores and limited EC’s (one leadership) She worked 2 jobs and got in with a 1800. She is doing well. Another girl, caucasian, got in with 2000 and 2 EC’s, one being Best Buddies, so it incorporated other things. Maybe they give a “little” leeway to a handful of CT students, but I think it’s just something sometimes you can’t figure out.</p>
<p>“Was this that guy that was worried about being Jewish and Hispanic?”</p>
<p>Yes, he was Jewish and Hispanic. I am, also.</p>
<p>silverturtle, this is in response to the admission rate you posted on another thread. Not sure how to crunch this additional information, but according to the Journal of Blacks in Higher education, 1,386 of 21,101 applicants for the class entering Yale in the Fall of '06 where Black. Does this tell you anything about your sample? For example, that was about 6.5% of the applicant pool. Your numbers make Blacks about 5.4% of the CC . Not sure about URM’s overall. Yale applicant pool. I AM curious about jut which URM’s hang out and are willing to post here.</p>
<p>The pool analyzed was just for SCEA. The numbers you referenced presumably included both SCEA and RD. </p>
<p>There is no doubt that the applicant pool posting on CC is, overall, more successful in admissions to top colleges than the entire applicant pool. This is evidenced by the relatively high acceptance rate of the analyzed pool.</p>
<p>There is no data I’m aware of that indicates the acceptance rate for URMs generally. Therefore, I do not know how the URM applicant posting on CC compare to those who don’t.</p>
<p>haha so the conclusion we can draw?</p>
<p>if you’re on CC you’re on the right track!</p>
<p>One thing I wish that CC had was a section dedicated solely to low-income minority applicants. Yes, while there are still sections for blacks and Hispanics, it is still quite polarizing for kids who attend schools with 400~ averages on each section of the SAT to sift through the tide of 2200s and 2300s and see kids with 1850s mocked and being told to go to community college. I don’t know, it just seems that people on CC have a skewed definiton of reality, but there is plenty of great advice to be seen here.</p>
<p>I just think there should be some more stickies for the “flukes” in admissions, the ones that people see and go “***ck how’d they get in?” to try to see how they made it through.</p>
<p>Wow, thank you Silverturtle for putting in the time and effort towards this post. I still have a couple years until I [might] be on that same boat, but it has definitely got me thinking.</p>
<p>**Analysis of Race, GPA, and SAT in Admissions
SCEA Stanford Class of 2013
By Junie
Template & text (c) silverturtle</p>
<p>Table of Contents
a. Introduction
b. Asian Applicants
c. White Applicants
d. African-American & Hispanic/Puerto Rican Applicants
e. Middle Eastern (Asian Indian) & Native American Applicants
f. Conclusions**</p>
<ul>
<li>All GPA’s given are unweighted. </li>
<li>When GPA was not given, class rank was used.</li>
<li>SAT scores may be superscored.</li>
<li>ACT scores were converted using this chart: SAT-ACT Conversion chart.</li>
<li>I have decided to include the total of the three highest SAT Subject Tests scores for each applicant who posted them. A 1.5 multiplier was applied to those who only posted two subject test scores.</li>
</ul>
<p>Overall Results
Total Applicants: 88
Number Accepted (Percent): 31 (35%)
Number Deferred (Percent): 12 (14%)
Number Rejected (Percent): 45 (51%)</p>
<p>Contrast the above with the fact that Stanford’s acceptance rate for all SCEA applicants was 16 percent. This indicates both the self-selecting nature of the posters and the difference in the quality of the average applicant who posts on College Confidential.</p>
<p>Asian Applicants</p>
<p>Applicants: 44
Number Accepted (Percent): 7 (16%)
Number Deferred (Percent): 6 (14%)
Number Rejected (Percent): 31 (70%)</p>
<p>Asian Applicants Sorted by SAT Scores in Descending Order</p>
<p>Accepted (Average SAT: 2325, Average GPA (When given): 3.90, Average Subject Test Score Total: 2360 )
Accepted
2390 SAT, 2350 Subject Test Total
2350 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2400 Subject Test Total
2350 SAT, 3.85 GPA, 2400 Subject Test Total
2320 SAT, 3.97 GPA, 2325 Subject Test Total
2310 SAT, 2400 Subject Test Total
2300 SAT, 3.99 GPA, 2330 Subject Test Total
2260 SAT, 3.88 GPA, 2300 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>Deferred (Average SAT: 2250, Average GPA (When given): 3.80, Average Subject Test Score Total: 2355 )
Deferred
2340 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2390 Subject Test Total
2330 SAT, 3.27 GPA, 2220 Subject Test Total
2290 SAT, 3.94 GPA, 2400 Subject Test Total
2290 SAT, 2400 Subject Test Total
2170 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2380 Subject Test Total
2090 SAT, 2340 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>Rejected (Average SAT: 2260, Average GPA (When given): 3.93, Average Subject Test Score Total: 2230 )
Rejected
2400 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2360 Subject Test Total
2380 SAT, 2400 Subject Test Total
2380 SAT, 2300 Subject Test Total
2360 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2320 Subject Test Total
2360 SAT, 3.90 GPA, 2300 Subject Test Total
2350 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2325 Subject Test Total
2350 SAT, 1/332 Class Rank, 2280 Subject Test Total
2340 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2370 Subject Test Total
2340 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2295 Subject Test Total
2340 SAT, 3.85 GPA, 2390 Subject Test Total
2330 SAT, 3.85 GPA, 2340 Subject Test Total
2320 SAT, 2400 Subject Test Total
2300 SAT, 2/727 Class Rank, 2360 Subject Test Total
2290 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2310 Subject Test Total
2280 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2280 Subject Test Total
2280 SAT, 3.96 GPA, 2380 Subject Test Total
2280 SAT, 2320 Subject Test Total
2270 SAT, 4.00 GPA
2270 SAT, 2350 Subject Test Total
2250 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2320 Subject Test Total
2250 SAT, 3.88 GPA, 2340 Subject Test Total
2240 SAT, 3.83 GPA, 2330 Subject Test Total
2230 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2400 Subject Test Total
2200 SAT, 3.88 GPA, 2355 Subject Test Total
2200 SAT, 3.70 GPA, 2130 Subject Test Total
2180 SAT, 3.93 GPA, 2390 Subject Test Total
2160 SAT, 3.94 GPA, 2200 Subject Test Total
2100 SAT, 3.91 GPA, 2160 Subject Test Total
2090 SAT, 3.95 GPA, 2330 Subject Test Total
2080 SAT, 2190 Subject Test Total
1950 SAT, 3.90 GPA, 1940 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>White Applicants</p>
<p>Applicants: 27
Number Accepted (Percent): 12 (44%)
Number Deferred (Percent): 3 (12%)
Number Rejected (Percent): 12 (44%)</p>
<p>White Applicants Sorted by SAT Scores in Descending Order</p>
<p>Accepted (Average SAT: 2300, Average GPA (When given): 3.96, Average Subject Test Score Total: 2320 )
Accepted
2400 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2400 Subject Test Total
2400 SAT, 2400 Subject Test Total
2380 SAT, 3.80 GPA, 2390 Subject Test Total
2370 SAT, 2/184 Class Rank, 2175 Subject Test Total
2330 SAT, 1/500 Class Rank, 2320 Subject Test Total
2320 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2400 Subject Test Total
2260 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2340 Subject Test Total
2260 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2220 Subject Test Total
2250 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2390 Subject Test Total
2250 SAT, 1/100 Class Rank, 2205 Subject Test Total
2210 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2250 Subject Test Total
2210 SAT, 3.90 GPA, 2325 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>Deferred (Average SAT: 2265, Average GPA (When given): 3.86, Average Subject Test Score Total: 2125 )
Deferred
2380 SAT, 2190 Subject Test Total
2320 SAT, 2190 Subject Test Total
2090 SAT, 3.86 GPA, 1995 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>Rejected (Average SAT: 2260, Average GPA (When given): 3.94, Average Subject Test Score Total: 2320 )
Rejected
2400 SAT, 3.88 GPA, 2270 Subject Test Total
2400 SAT, 1/107 Class Rank, 2360 Subject Test Total
2390 SAT, 3/462 Class Rank, 2390 Subject Test Total
2350 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2380 Subject Test Total
2320 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2400 Subject Test Total
2250 SAT, 3.95 GPA, 2330 Subject Test Total
2240 SAT, 3.99 GPA, 2250 Subject Test Total
2240 SAT, 3.94 GPA, 2390 Subject Test Total
2240 SAT, 3.85 GPA, 2400 Subject Test Total
2140 SAT, 3.91 GPA, 2230 Subject Test Total
2130 SAT, 7/450 Class Rank, 2260 Subject Test Total
2030 SAT, 3.92 GPA, 2190 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>African American Applicants</p>
<p>Applicants: 3
Number Accepted (Percent): 3 (100%)
Number Deferred (Percent): 0
Number Rejected (Percent): 0</p>
<p>African-American Applicants Sorted by SAT Scores in Descending Order</p>
<p>Accepted (Average SAT: 2170, Average GPA (When given): 3.90 , Average Subject Test Score Total: 2110 )
Accepted
2370 SAT, 3.80 GPA, 2220 Subject Test Total
2160 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2010 Subject Test Total
1980 SAT, 2100 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</p>
<p>Hispanic/Puerto Rican Applicants</p>
<p>Applicants: 6
Number Accepted (Percent): 4 (67%)
Number Deferred (Percent): 2 (33%)
Number Rejected (Percent): 0</p>
<p>Hispanic/Puerto Rican Applicants Sorted by SAT Scores in Descending Order</p>
<p>Accepted (Average SAT: 2160 , Average GPA (When given): 3.85, Average Subject Test Score Total: 2225 )
Accepted
2310 SAT, 3.92 GPA, 2080 Subject Test Total
2290 SAT, 3.77 GPA, 2355 Subject Test Total
2220 SAT, 2360 Subject Test Total
1820 SAT, 2100 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>Deferred (Average SAT: 2180, Average GPA (When given): 3.81 , Average Subject Test Score Total: 2235 )
Deferred
2200 SAT, 2070 Subject Test Total
2160 SAT, 3.81 GPA, 2400 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>Middle Eastern Applicants</p>
<p>Applicants: 7
Number Accepted (Percent): 4 (57%)
Number Deferred (Percent): 1 (14%)
Number Rejected (Percent): 2 (29%)</p>
<p>Middle Eastern Applicants Sorted by SAT Scores in Descending Order</p>
<p>Accepted (Average SAT: 4450, Average GPA (When given): 3.90, Average Subject Test Score Total: 2295)
Accepted
2260 SAT, 3.80 GPA, 2360 Subject Test Total
2230 SAT, 1/450 Class Rank, 2310 Subject Test Total
2210 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2175 Subject Test Total
2200 SAT, 19/780 Class Rank, 2340 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>Deferred (Average SAT: 2240, Average GPA (When given): n/a , Average Subject Test Score Total: 2280)
Deferred
2240 SAT, 2280 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>Rejected (Average SAT: 2200, Average GPA (When given): 3.94, Average Subject Test Score Total: 2325)
Rejected
2210 SAT, 3.89 GPA, 2300 Subject Test Total
2190 SAT, 4.00 GPA, 2350 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p>Native American Applicants</p>
<p>Applicants: 1
Number Accepted (Percent): 1 (100%)
Number Deferred (Percent): 0
Number Rejected (Percent): 0</p>
<p>Native American Applicants Sorted by SAT Scores in Descending Order</p>
<p>Accepted (Average SAT: 1960, Average GPA (When given): 3.93, Average Subject Test Score Total: 2000 )
Accepted
1960 SAT, 3.93 GPA, 2000 Subject Test Total</p>
<p>That was fun.
I hope that the Stanford SCEA breakdown is a good resource~</p>
<p>And thus we conclude that Stanford hates Asians and loves URMs <em>sigh</em></p>
<p>I was looking in the “race” thread and saw that Middle Easterns were separated from Caucasians…
This is probably a stupid question, but I was wondering if Middle Easterns are considered URMs at all (probably not) and what ethnicity should be marked on college applications? On all standardized tests and everything, I’ve always marked “other” unless “Middle Eastern” was an option…</p>
<p>No Middle Easterns are considered white.</p>
<p>^ +1 Exactly. </p>
<p>Sorry dude.</p>
<p>And thus we conclude that you should stop complaining and go out and do something interesting with your life!</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>I don’t conclude that. The first two Stanford class of 2013 admitted students I heard about, one local and one across the country, were both Asian. Stanford is just plain hard to get into, that’s all.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>There is no doubt at all under the current federal regulations that the two choices a person of Middle Eastern (Lebanese, Arab, Iranian, etc.) ethnicity has to mark on a current ethnicity form are </p>
<p>1) “white” </p>
<p>or </p>
<p>2) nothing at all. </p>
<p>Any student can decline to self-identify with any ethnic group. The federal definition of the “white” race includes all Middle Eastern ethnicities, as is made clear on this year’s Common Application. </p>
<p>As for whether or not a college will consider Middle Eastern people underrepresented on campus, that will depend somewhat on who is already on campus. I’m quite sure that Arab-American students are very highly represented at the University of Michigan (because of the large number of Arab-Americans in the Detroit area) for example. I have no idea where some colleges might feel that Middle Eastern students are underrepresented, but that’s a possibility. Decide for yourself what part of your background makes you most interesting as part of a new class of students at your favorite colleges. </p>
<p>Good luck to everyone applying this year.</p>