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I just have a question...if there had been articles in the joke issue that made fun of other races too, would this be as big of a problem? Like, if there was one article that made horrible stereotypes about African-Americans and used Ebonics for the writing and one that made stereotypes about Hispanics and used Mexican-slang (I'm Mexican, so I know what that sounds like...but I guess not many do), hypothetically, would the Jian Li article have been...a little bit better-received? I know that rascist jokes are insulting in general, but I for one find jokes directed my own "ethnic group" to be really funny. That probably makes me a bad person, but I just think they're hilarious and making fun of things that I know really well. I'm not saying that making rascist jokes is OK, but if ALL races had been made fun of, would this article have seemed as bad?
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<p>it depends, if jokes are like Russell Peters' jokes about every races and his own, then it's just funny. I don't see anything funny about this. They use "I" and "we" to represent Jian Li and the asian group and make fun of him, that's very offensive and stereotypical. The use of "We cook greasy food, wash your clothes and let you copy our homework", "bubble tea", "Kung Pow province", "Rice Wars" are very offensive and stereotypical. Also what does Berkeley has to do with this??? Because it's an "asian school" and he will celebrate his Chinese New Year there? </p>
<p>I would be really angry if I was him. This is definitely a stereotype and also offensive article, I am not sure about racist in general. I'm sure there are racist people at princeton.</p>
<p>Ernie, obviously you didn't catch the fact that I simply mentioned what was already in the article, because I was showing HOW EASY IT IS TO MAKE RACIST JOKES and pretend to be funny.</p>
<p>This article does not reflect well on Princeton's acceptance of ethnic diversity at all! If they were so accepting, why would they marginalize an entire culture and ethnicity in such a direct, blunt, and unwitty way?</p>
<p>i agree. twas not funny. i agree with their point, but the bad english? uh... we all know it's impossible for real asian american kids who apply to princeton and such schools to speak and write like that. without the bad english, good joke. with? ridiculously inane.</p>
<p>Troublesomejason, rest assured that this article does not reflect the views of Princeton students as a whole or the university. As has already been noted, the Daily Princetonian is an independent student newspaper. The responsible individuals are the writer and the editors who allowed this trash to be printed. I’m confident that there will be repercussions for those individuals and I would be very surprised if there are not statements made by the administration and an apology from the student editors of the paper. I agree that this is an ugly incident and I know that there are many outraged alumni. I've been hearing from them all day. As I said before, this is not the Princeton we know.</p>
<p>As an Asian (more precisely a Chinese) myself and with a senior who is choosing a school to apply, I am offended by the article. Nevertheless, I agree with you that this is not the official view o Princeton, and I will never judge a university by a few. After all, when Pton accepts a student, the school does not have a good evaluation on the morale of individual student. </p>
<p>I pity the writer and the editor(s) for their bad taste and they should be ashamed of themselves for publishing this.</p>
<p>That article was not humorous or clever by any means. I'm all about racist jokes and crude humor if done well, but that article was WHAAAAAAAAAAAACK.</p>
<p>Oh sorry, am I supposed to feign some concern?</p>
<p>It's a joke article about a kid who filed a suit because he got rejected. The kid who did that IS fulfilling the stereotype!</p>
<p>It is college and despite what you have been fed about the Ivy-League being some higher intellectual place, it isn't too different from everywhere else. You still have the drunken would-be frat boys (if they had frats) going around screaming "YEAHHHH!!! COLLEGE! YEAH!!!! SO STOKED FOR COLLEGE AND BEER!" Sure this article could have been written a lot more cleverly, but it wasn't. I laugh at this stuff, just like I laugh at the ridiculously sexist authors like Maddox and Tucker Max. </p>
<p>The biggest problem I have with the article is not that the Prince made fun of Lian (I can kind of see your point about fulfilling the stereotype); it's that they used the article as an opportunity to make fun of asians in general.</p>
<p>Yeah that's the uncool part of it. I man I can't imagine that Princeton's Asian population is too thrilled right now. I mean Princeton may not have quite the same feel as Harvard and Yale when it comes to kids like Lian, but I'm sure they have more than a couple of kids just like him on campus...</p>
<p>I just feel it could have been written lot better to be a lot funnier...</p>
<p>you have jian li's goals mixed up. He has stated again and again that he's doing this to speak up about an issue that he and many other Asian Americans feel strongly about. It might seem very "asian" to sue a school b/c you weren't admitted, but that's not what his goal is.</p>
<p>I don't really care about Jian Li; people are free to make fun of him. I myself do it all the time. But the fact that they used his case as an excuse to ridicule all Asians (using generalized phrases like "We brought you greasy food and washed your clothes") is not simple joking. That's racism</p>
<p>despite the comments of ptongrad2000, I'm actually quite concerned about what the article shows about princeton. It might be an independent publication but it still in some way reflects the values of at least one person at the school (actually two, the editor didn't find it offensive). Who knows, if there is one, there might be more.</p>
<p>To be honest, I applied early (won't say which yr :) and had some expectation of getting in. My scores were well within range, I had ecs, national recognition, and was a legacy. Obviously, I wasn't fully expecting a fat envelope in the mail, but I was still a bit surprised to be deferred. I am Asian and being Asian is one of the most important things in my life, I live in a predominantly caucasian town and have a lot of trouble finding people who I can talk to in my language, listen to the same music, watch the same tv shows etc. This is what makes me me. So I highlighted it on my application. Obviously I'll never know why I was deferred, but I can see how it might have been my being Asian. And after this, it is hard for me to believe that Princeton was my first choice, when racial diversity and acceptance is one of the most important things to me in choosing a school.</p>
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<p>No, but the admissions office are the ones who admitted the fools who wrote and edited this piece. The university would be a better place and would be a lot less embarrassed today if they had admitted Jian Li instead of those guys.</p>