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There is a big drop off after arts in terms of ease--If kids in arts want an easy A they take courses in CALS
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<p>I know. AAP is so much harder than Arts. Especially those kids in Urban and Regional Studies. So much harder than being a math major in Arts.</p>
<p>And now that I think about it, being a biology majors in CALS is a cake-walk compared to being a biology major in CAS.</p>
<p>Arts = Arts & Science (CAS). It includes math, econ, biology, chemistry, physics majors. CAS also has the lowest acceptance rate and higher SAT scores relative to other schools. It is expected because it's not a pre-professional school, therefore your acceptance is mostly based on your SAT and GPA.</p>
<p>I know what Arts is. I'm just surprised CAS is considered so much more difficult than CALS, ILR and HumEc. CALS and HumEc are overwhelmingly Science focused, whereas CAS has a lot of "artsy" majors like Art History, English, Literature, Cultural Studies, Anthropology, Psychology, that kinda stuff. At my college, a lot of those majors are considered to be easier, whereas Science and Business ones are considered difficult. In my college, I'm in CAS-Econ, but Stern (our B school) is the most prestigious and considered difficult. At Cornell, AEM seems to be an easy option, which is funny, cause it's a top undergrad B program. I guess it's different at Cornell. </p>
<p>I don't think acceptance rate has much to do with it - the contract schools are especially fit based. Engineering has a pretty high acceptance rate by Cornell standards, but it's really difficult.</p>
<p>In finance, I would hire a math, physics or engineering major over business school major.</p>
<p>so, speaking of hiring people and jobs n stuff, what kind of degree do you think looks better on a resume....Economics, or Policy Analysis & Management? If both were from Cornell. Just wondering...because either way, I would take tons of Econ and Policy type courses, it really comes down to the name on the degree. And the $ I would save by going to a contract college.</p>
<p>It doesn't matter.</p>
<p>Go to contract school, take some economics and math in A&S, some finance courses in AEM or Hotel, few CS courses(make sure they are not for engineers), that is what so amazing about Cornell.</p>
<p>I just had my Harvard interview... and I had to restrain myself from talking about how awesome Cornell was :(</p>
<p>pshh, Harvard Shmarvard. Don't give up on HumEc, Chandler :) </p>
<p>What do you mean, it doesn't matter? Public policy is different from Econ. There are different requirements for each major, and they are perceived differently. It's probably a waste of time to go from CAS Econ here to CAS Econ there. My reasons for transfer would be really weak, and it's more expensive. My parents are kinda against the HumEc thing as well. Right now they're trying to get me to transfer to Stern Business School. Ugh</p>
<p>What oldfort said. For a job it doesn't matter between CAS Econ and PAM once you take certain courses.</p>
<p>Academics and costs aside, the major reason to transfer would be whether or not you feel comfortable and at home on campus. That's the big one.</p>
<p>Right, but let's say your Dad is a snooty Dartmouth alum who studied Econ/CS, and he looks down on HumEc because it's merely a contract college in a "lower Ivy" (not like Dartmouth, which reminds me of an overgrown summer camp)...</p>
<p>I love Cornell and feel at home on campus. I've spent weekends there, I have a lot of Cornell friends. I love nature, wilderness, and want to be in a rural location like Ithaca. I want a traditional undergrad experience in an environment like Cornell, with a nice green campus, with dorms. At Cornell, because it's in the middle o' nowhere, there's more focus on campus activities. I love cold weather and lots of snow. What turns people off about Cornell - location and weather - is what I love. I love how it's so diverse, and not everyone's gay or a left-winger. </p>
<p>I go to NYU and commute, so I'm not really getting the experience I want. I feel like I live at home full-time with my parents and occasionally go to classes in NYC. Everyone's there to party in Manhattan, no one cares about campus activities. Our campus is a couple ugly buildings scattered in a concrete urban jungle, the exact opposite of Ithaca. NYU is a good college and I'll probably apply for NYU Law someday, but not the Undergrad experience I want.</p>
<p>In transfer essays, they want to hear mostly academic reasons, and going from NYU Econ to Cornell Econ's not a big diff.</p>
<p></3 stargazerlilies. Give me your NYU spot. :(</p>
<p>here's what i've noticed in my first semester as a freshman: </p>
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<li>my friends in CAS (undecided) have a lot more busy work - ie: textbook readings - than i do - probably because they're in a lot more introductory classes.</li>
<li>my freshmen friends in engineering have no work. i don't understand why. one's an OR major (well, go figure, JUST KIDDING! she makes the joke too), one's a computer science, a couple are undecided. however, as you go up in years - my sophomore friends in engineering are LOADED with course work, but then again, they're mechE and chemE.</li>
<li>i rarely see my AAP friends except on weekends or at absurd hours of the night, same goes for my DEA friends (which is in HumEc, so don't say HumEc's the easiest!)</li>
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<p>currently, i'm in CALS and it's not hard. i'm doing probably the same amount of work as in high school senior year (then again i took a lot of APs so i was able to skip a lot of the introductory courses - ie: both intro econs, a FWS, etc.)</p>
<p>Well, if your farther is a Dartmouth alum who holds such an attitude against the contract colleges at Cornell, I really have to wonder what type of education he received at Dartmouth. That Dartmouth and Cornell are anything but equals for undergraduate education is news to me.</p>
<p>Why not visit the campus with him and get the full HumEc spiel?</p>
<p>For those of you wanting to know the difference between CAS to CALS read this:</p>
<p>CALS is a state school while CAS is not, so many kids choose to go into CAS because they think its looks more prestigous which = more competition and therefore its harder to get into.</p>
<p>Also if you are in CAS, you have a language REQUIREMENT which everyone seems to forget about. You have to pass one language class at the 200 level or higher or 3 classes at the 100 level. This is tough especially if you didnt take AP language in high school. I took span 209 this semester and it is one of the harder classes to get a good grade in. One of my friends is an engineering major and he says he had more work for span 209 than his upper level engineering classes (so happy i'm done with Spanish!)</p>
<p>I'm an econ major so I can't speak for all of CAS (for example anthropology may be easier than CALS but I'm just talking about the more popular majors in CAS--econ, bio, physics, etc.) </p>
<p>And to whoever commented about the hotel school, trust me, its not hard...the majority of your grade is based on attendance and presenting yourself well--for example all hotelies have to dress up in business attire on fridays and they are graded on how they look. Its pretty funny seeing these kids who went out all night thurs night trying their best not to look hung over. :) haha</p>
<p>Oh, Cayuga. If you would only adopt me and pay my tuition, this would be easier...I'd be a legacy, too :)</p>
<p>It's not really an attitude, it's not like he's vehemently against it. When I told him I want to transfer to Cornell, he assumed I meant CAS-Econ, and when he found out later it was HumEc PAM, he was like, "Oh...are you sure about that?" And since then he's made a couple comments...like is it a SUNY school and would a degree in PAM limit my options a little, and why I don't I just stay here (he likes me living at home) and transfer to Stern and do Finance? I've given him the HumEc spiel, don't think I sold him on it. Not that my parents decide my major, but they do pay my very expensive tuition, which I can't afford by myself even with loans, which they would need to co-sign anyway.</p>
<p>hahah I just noticed this thread was started by someone called Hannah Montana who's worried about attending the most elite school lol</p>
<p>He's obviously trying to live vicariously through you.</p>
<p>Tell him like it is - This is my life, I like Cornell, and I like HumEc, and I like PAM, and you aren't going to change that with your disdain. </p>
<p>Some decisions in life are yours to make, regardless of what anyone else says.</p>
<p>If he's so worried about the "prestige" of your degree, pop in a DVD of "Animal House" and ask him if that's so prestigious.</p>
<p>Unless you are firm about your wants, your parents are going to try as hard to rein you in (because parents don't like to lose their children).</p>
<p>He's not trying to live vicariously through me...he's a successful Ivy grad who makes lots of money, has a big house, nice car, picture perfect family. He's not one of those parents who fails at something and then tries to make his kids excel at it. He's not really obsessed with prestige - Cornell is more elite than NYU, so if prestige is all he cared about, he would push me towards AEM rather than Stern. </p>
<p>anywho, this is not about my dad, it's about what I want. I don't know if I want PAM. NYU offers public policy, I didn't want that, I opted for Econ cause I prefer it. I might prefer Econ at Cornell as well. It's as simple as picking between 2 majors, only I'm kind of...extremely indecisive. ILR keeps popping into my head as well...haha cornell has too many damn choices.</p>
<p>Look. CAS-Econ vs. PAM vs. ILR is really a non-issue for somebody generally interested in economics. I had similar concerns about being in ILR with an interest in math and economics. I got all of the benefits of taking econ courses at Cornell with the added benefit of a unique, inter-disciplinary outlook on the way the world works.</p>
<p>Now if you are really into applied math, philosophy, computer science, and economics, of which there is a lot of overlap, CAS is the school for you. But otherwise, ILR or PAM are just fine for anybody with an interest in applied economics who wants the in-state tuition.</p>
<p>None of the contract colleges at Cornell are SUNY schools. They are all private schools.</p>
<p>sorry, but you can still (need to) live vicariously through someone even if you are successful by outward perceptions.</p>
<p>and also sorry, but it seems to me that you are concerned with several things OTHER than "picking between 2 majors," and it seems your family's perception of you is a significant factor in your decision.</p>
<p>the name of the major on your degree matters very little, honestly. Employers look at your transcript, and see what classes you took, and how well you did in them. This is why CAS-Econ vs. ILR. vs HumEc vs. NYU Econ matters little in terms of academics and job placement.</p>
<p>However, the Cornell experience is very different from the NYU experience, in terms of location, size, setting, opportunities. You seem to like Cornell's perspective on this experience much more than NYU's, and you sound like you are sitting, debating semantics over what name is on your degree.</p>
<p>Yes transferring will be a pain in the ass, but it can also be a joy, especially if Cornell is more nurturing of you, and you can blossom here.</p>
<p>Now if I've totally called it wrong, I apologize, but I would be willing to bet a lot on my interpretation.</p>