<p>in terms of difficulty of being granted admission. Assume one is applying to all regular schools (not a specialty school like Wharton). Admit % doesn't paint the whole picture does it?</p>
<p>bump, 10 char.</p>
<p>harvard
yale
princeton
columbia
dartmouth
penn
brown
cornell</p>
<p>these rankings are bs, quite frankly becasuse all these schools are incredible and your opportunities out of any of them are boundless.</p>
<p>this has been done SO MANY TIMES</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/636271-how-would-you-rank-ivies.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/636271-how-would-you-rank-ivies.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/314458-rank-ivies.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/314458-rank-ivies.html</a></p>
<p>etc, etc, just do a forum search</p>
<p>I actually haven’t seen any of this specific question, and even if one existed it would be almost impossible to find because as you said – there are multitudes of Ivy threads.</p>
<p>This is a very specific question that doesn’t directly correspond to the education quality, experience, etc.</p>
<p>[College</a> Confidential - Search Forums](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/search.php]College”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/search.php)</p>
<p>Just type in Ivy ranking or something. Also, if you scroll down to the very bottom of this thread page here, you’ll see links to “similar threads”</p>
<p>I’m telling you, I know how to use the search function, and I haven’t found a thread answering this specific question – only ones based on prestige, campus, social life, academic quality etc. etc. If there is one I apologize, but I just can’t find it and thought it easier to just make this thread.</p>
<p>Admit %, SAT ranges, and stats based on GPA or rank is all you need.</p>
<p>Look at that info and you’ll have a general answer. All of it is easy to find. Is it precise? No, nothing in this process is when you’re talking about 8 schools, 6 or 7 of which accept less than 15% of a highly qualified applicant pool.</p>
<p>Columbia has three undergraduate colleges, Penn has four, Cornell has seven. All colleges at a given university are not all identically selective. You should each college seperately.</p>
<p>“I’m telling you, I know how to use the search function, and I haven’t found a thread answering this specific question – only ones based on prestige, campus, social life, academic quality etc. etc. If there is one I apologize, but I just can’t find it and thought it easier to just make this thread.”</p>
<p>are thes not legitimate criteria?</p>
<p>and at cornell you have toi apply to a specific school</p>
<p>Parse the common data sets for more detailed info than what the overall admit rates suggest, though the overall rates are a good measure of selectivity.</p>
<p>I don’t think the common data sets have admission rates by college. Admissions rates for Columbia’s college of General Studies, and Penns’ College of Nursing, and actually any of Penn’s individual colleges, are hard to find. I’ve actual never seen them all broken out,
(i.e…without Wharton) even though we know they are all different.</p>
<p>If you have data for PEnn Cas by itself, without Wharton Or SEAS, please post link.
In contrast, stats for Cornell’s indiviudal colleges are all available individually, with no omissions.</p>
<p>Penn admission right now is about 17% which is high for an Ivy (more than double that of Harvard). How hard is it to get into Wharton? Do Wharton kids raise the average stats and also make admissions seem harder? Or are there also “easy” colleges to get into at Penn that average it out?</p>
<p>Wharton is as hard as HYP, at least it was during boom times, remains to be seen now. That’s balanced by nursing, much easier to get into than CAS. But anyway you slice it, the admission rate for the unhooked is under 9% at all ivies except for some schools at Cornell. Under 5% for HYP. Looked at that way, all of these schools are exceedingly hard to get into these days, there’s not that great a difference. The ivies not among the super powers require pretty close stats–they have 770 75th percentile scores rather than 790–and your ECs don’t have to be as earth shattering.</p>
<p>Oddly enough I know someone who was wait listed at Harvard but rejected from Cornell… Cornell > Harvard for admissions difficulty? I know it doesn’t make sense but…</p>
<p>Notwithstanding general truisms (like those stated by hmom5), admissions is entirely unpredictable at the micro level. Two of my sons pals, one starting at MIT and one starting at Harvard, were rejected by Columbia. Does that make a Columbia admission more difficult? In their cases, yes. As a general matter, not necessarily.</p>
<p>I agree. My school even had some interesting results. I know a girl who got into Yale and Princeton but was rejected from Brown for example. I think generally things fall correctly about 70% of the time, but there are a lot of cases where things seem to not fall in a straight line. </p>
<p>I think it also has to do with what schools are looking for. For example I hear Penn is super selective in the New York area because of the numbers applying from there, whereas its less selective everywhere else. Dartmouth, conversely, is crazy selective in New England and Massachusetts. Depends on what the school is looking for I guess.</p>
<p>"But anyway you slice it, the admission rate for the unhooked is under 9% at all ivies except for some schools at Cornell. "</p>
<p>It’s probably higher than that at all the colleges at Cornell. Since “hooked” athletes are disbursed there over a larger student body, and possibly disproportionally represented among its colleges, they possibly make up a smaller % of its otherwise most selective colleges than at some smaller uinversities with fewer individual colleges.</p>
<p>It’s still hard though.</p>
<p>To put this in perspective, when I was applying, the most selective colleges in the country were Yale and Cooper Union, who each accepted 17%. Arts & sciences at Cornell and Columbia were in the 30%, and Penn was in the low 40% (yes their data by college was available then). And none of us thought admissions to any of these places was a cakewalk, we were sweating about it just like the kids today are.</p>
<p>I don’t know how much these “hooks” play a role at Penn’s Nursing college, or Columbia’s College of General Studies, but these two colleges used to have the highest admissions rates in the Ivy league. When data was available to be seen.</p>
<p>I don’t know what the admissions stats are at Penn’s Arts & sciences college, Penn doesn’t provide it as far as I’ve seen recently.</p>