<p>@jonesmaprep % of graduates who attend IVY/MIT/Stanford Endowment</p>
<p>St. Paul’s 30% $346 million
Groton 26% $270 million</p>
<p>That is why St. Paul’s is a better school</p>
<p>I thought so… you really do not know much about these schools. Your numbers are wrong, endowment figures are out of date. Also, endowment/student is a more meaningful stat.</p>
<p>The Ivy stat is silly - if one of the kids from Groton went to Harvard instead of Cambridge or Oxford your only other reason would be invalid too.</p>
<p>If you think Groton is better give me some facts or reasons why…don’t just try to shut down what I say.
I am not saying Groton is bad. I am just saying St. Paul’s is better.
Also if Endowment per student means more, St. Paul’s still beats Groton. I searched the endowments and did see my numbers were off a little, but St. Paul’s still has a higher endowment/Student</p>
<p>bblife, are you a boarding school professional critic? :3</p>
<p>jonesmaprep & bblife, you two are funny! I’ll wager that anyone from Groton or SPS admins are having a laugh over this back and forth over which school is better. Anyone in the country would be truly fortunate to attend either school. Why not settle this on something more significant than endowments, HYPMS admits, yield, or SAT scores: who has the better mascot? :-)</p>
<p>Roxbury Latin is simply the finest high school (Academics) in America, period. It is also the most selective. It has no peer. End of debate.</p>
<p>@Zoberist, sounds like your an RL senior about to PG at Andover?</p>
<p>Alex:
Oldest son went to RL and graduated and is now finishing his senior year at Harvard with 9 of his 42 classmates. My youngest son is applying to PG year because he will only be a young 17 when he graduates from his local public high school. We hope to know with certainty what his choices are later today.</p>
<p>Uh…RL may be hands down, but only if you’re a guy. Only so helpful.</p>
<p>And actually some of BU Academy’s statistics top RL. These are almost boutique schools,
excellent no doubt, but a different experience.</p>
<p>I hope I didn’t come across as demeaning Rixbury Latin, it’s a great school with really smart kids. But to say a day school for boys is more selective than an international coed boarding school is apples and oranges. The selection process is totally different. The Boston Magazine article that ranked RL the 26th best Private Secondary School in Massachusetts was stupid in many ways, but the point is that RL is a unique school that most kids wouldn’t even have on their radar…it serves a narrow population. It’s sort of like arguing that CalTech is better than Stanford…it’s true in many ways, but 9 out of 10 kids would much rather go to Stanford.</p>
<p>I am very pleased that my son, when he was selecting a private school in 7th grade, selected Roxbury Latin. I look back and think … if I had designed a school from scratch, specifically tailored for my son, from the bottom up, I would have ended up with Roxbury Latin. You are very correct in one regard. It is not for everyone. The students there work EXTREMELY hard and no amount of academic gifts will prevent them from a very high level of work. The problem with schools like Roxbury Latin is that their bottom third might be the top 10% at another school. My son was quiet and intellectually curious. They thrive at a place like RL. He went in as a nerd and came out as a ISL Wrestling Champion with a list of academic and athletic awards and was also admitted to Stamford and Princeton. Their ability to, with confidence and character and maturity, move in any setting, are very visible. For the right candidate, it is a magical place, the “Hogwarts” of the non-magic folk. Of his graduating class of 42, 10 were admitted to Harvard.</p>
<p>I’ve known a lot of RL students over the years and don’t disagree with much if what you said, but I think you are overstating how unique the hard work and personal transformations might be. It’s not the only place that gives students that experience. I also think the 10/42 statistic means less because, well the school is built for that one thing. At a school with 300 graduates you are getting people with a wider range of backgrounds, school experiences and aspirations and it’s not the same to say they’d need 68 of them to go to Harvard - for the school to be as good as RL. But good for your son.</p>
<p>Zoberist said “Of his graduating class of 42, 10 were admitted to Harvard.”</p>
<p>If that’s what you want out of a school . . . and for many RL parents I am sure that the benefit of RL centered on the prestigious stat.</p>
<p>What was striking to me about RL was that it seems to reach further out of the privileged class than other oher schools for their students . . . RL is need blind, and with 1/3 of the student body on significant financial aid (median was, I think, about 2/3 of the tuition cost of ~$20k) the range of economic classes from which students came seemed wider at RL than at similarly aimed private schools.</p>
<p>So I know RL has great college stats, but I wonder if you took out the legacy factor, how would it stack up? All those boys who get into Harvard each year… how many are recruited athletes and how many are (multi-generation sons, father, grandfathers…) Harvard legacies? Isn’t that really the secret sauce?</p>
<p>If you aren’t an athlete or a legacy, then what are your chances, really?</p>
<p>Let’s start with the obvious:
No one can disagree that Roxbury Latin is an incredible institution.
The college placement is extraordinary.
The endowment is large.
The history is great. </p>
<p>But I don’t know if it’s fair to call it the best in the country academically when lovely young women can’t attend due to the philosophy of the institution. Also with only 50 boys a class (roughly) it’s very very small. So, due to a number of factors, it’s not for everyone, and difficult to call it the “best”. I would put several boarding schools in the country up there with it that are non-ISL like a Phillips Exeter or Phillips Andover or a Choate Rosemary that aren’t exactly slouches. If we focus on the 16 in the ISL, it’s the “best” of the ISL no question.</p>
<p>I graduated from BB&N in the mid-nineties and received an extraordinary education there…particularly in english, history, latin, and math. Not because I’m biased but I consider BB&N to be among the best of the co-ed private day schools in Boston if not the Northeast. It’s also 2 1/2 times larger than Roxbury Latin so the college placement and breath of schools will be different by default. Six went to Harvard in my graduating class, and another five went to Yale. I went to a prestigious NESCAC college. So, we could put up strong numbers too. In the ranking earlier, I ranked BB&N 6 out of the 16 ISL, but highest of the co-ed private day schools. With the exception of RL, the others were private boarding schools or day/boarding co-ed. </p>
<p>Again, thoughts and perspectives…we all have opinions.</p>
<p>thanks for bringing in excellent discussion issues to all posters. :)</p>
<p>jonesmaprep & bblife: My S attends St. Paul’s school and he is very happy and doing well at the school. When he applied to BS last year, we simply excluded Groton since it is a smaller school than St. Paul’s school and the students are not that diverse. I believe Groton is as good as St Paul’s school and it is no use to judge which school is better than other among top BS. The most important question is “Is that school better fit for me or my child?”</p>
<p>i would put Middlesex below BelHill and BBN on the 3rd tier.
I would raise up Nobles and Groton to the first tier with RL and St. Pauls</p>
<p>Good list, based on college admissions. Middlesex should be around 8th in ISl. People in other parts of country seem to rank MX higher, but it is really not comparable to Nobles or Bel Hill for those locals who know. Just check Forbes or Prep Review, they are accurate on rank</p>
<p>I’m with 2008z and mdgran. The data supports a higher rank for BBN above Middlesex (although md as an alum, places MX higher than BBN). Not sure on Belmont Hill above Middlesex but one could argue that and 8 is not unreasonable for MX… Would raise Nobles but wouldn’t put Nobles level with Groton or SPS (and certainly not level with Roxbury Latin). My initial rank (post #44), reflects most of 02008z’s thoughts.</p>
<p>Enjoying this discussion!</p>