<p>How can colleges tell if you're a first generation student? My mother has an associate's degree, and my father received a bachelors in some language in China, am I considered first generation?</p>
<p>^varies by school</p>
<p>I question how highly you've rated "professionally published work." I published an article in a respected and circulated medical journal but still got deferred from Yale.</p>
<p>I think that many of you are way over-rating legacy.</p>
<p>"All universities want there legacies"</p>
<p>-Not so much anymore. Granted, if your last name is Bush and you are applying to Yale, or if your father is a mega billionaire, its quite an advantage. If your just the upper middle class, Long Island, white kid, with moderately competitive stats whose father happened to go to Harvard, the Native American with even worse stats will beat you out any day. You would add very little in terms of diversity compared to the Native American. Generally, if your "hooked" you need to add something to the college, and legacies, unless they are adding $$$ of increased fame, add little.</p>
<p>^^i split up double legacy (grandparent)
and single legacy which is much lower.</p>
<p>^^^OMG you got DEFERRED FROM YALE!!!! wow, obviously only the extremely under qualified get deferred early from yale....</p>
<p>I'm surprised at how low people are ranking 'Born in an exotic country, grew up in 5 different countries, fluent in 4 languages.' I would think that that kind of applicant is fairly hard to come by, and succeeding a rapidly shifting environment certainly says something.</p>
<p>1 -URM Native American
2 -URM Black/Hispanic
3 -Professionally published work (poetry, science, etc.)
4 -Born in an exotic country, grew up in 5 different countries, fluent in 4 languages. [I will assume exotic would imply some underrepresented country...]
5 -RSI/TASP
6 -Double Legacy + Grandparent legacy [My friend got a courtesy deferral from Stanford, even though she had THIS MUCH legacy. Unless your parent WORKED at the university, it won't help as much. Ofcourse, if you're applying to a school (like ND) that really emphasizes legacy, then it'll help more]
7 -Disability (hearing loss, loss of a limb, wheelchair, etc.)
8 -Single Legacy [It's starting to help less and less these days]
9 -Low Income + First Generation [Aff. Action doesn't help these people as much as it should...]
10 -Varsity 4 years + 2 years as captain of 2 tennis and basketball [unless you're getting recruited, it's not going to help that much]</p>
<p>The spots of 2 & 3 are debatable.
I'm not sure what the whole exotic country part really means, so that and RSI/TASP may be interchangeable.</p>
<p>Legacies are far superior to URM. I think it's Notre Dame which accepts 19% of non-Legacy applicants and 70% of legacies.</p>
<p>lol, so you support your claim by naming one institution?</p>
<p>At Harvard, their acceptance rate was 40 percent in 2003.
At Princeton, 35 percent
University of Pennsylvania, 41 percent</p>
<p>Those are all over triple their overall admissions except UPenn, just like Notre Dame.</p>
<p>Now find one source that shows less than double.</p>
<p>ok, now find a source that shows legacy acceptance rate being higher than urm acceptance rate.</p>
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ok, now find a source that shows legacy acceptance rate being higher than urm acceptance rate.
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more legacies than URMs are admitted... the rate doesn't really matter and would probably be misleading.</p>
<p>how would it be misleading? hes making the argument that more legacies are admitted relative to the number that apply than urms under the same conditions.what are you talking about?</p>
<p>Princeton</a> - A Princeton Profile, 2007-08</p>
<p>Class of 2011, 37.5% legacies accepted</p>
<p>33.7% African Americans accepted.</p>
<p>And I'm saying double legacy + your grandparents >>> URM. The legacy statistic counts for anyone with at least one parent, so I'm sure double legacy + grandparent legacy would be way higher.</p>
<p>Yeah only one source, I know. One more source than what you have.</p>
<p>maybe its just me, or did you not mention anything about double legacy and grandparents in your first post</p>
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<p>if you have a one parent legacy, your chances at princeton are virtually the same as for a urm. thanks for supporting my claim.</p>
<p>How about a URM legacy..
but then again, I know a girl who is nationally ranked in tennis and a legacy URM with good test scores, so-so grades (3.6 approx)..and STILL got deferred from Yale EA</p>
<p>6% Is no difference? You realize that the % admitted is 10%</p>
<p>And if you look at my own rankings, I put URM above single legacy. Since you're so terrible at looking up sources, you might not be able to find my rankings in a 3 page thread so here's a link:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/445515-rank-these-hooks-order-best-worst.html#post5196256%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/445515-rank-these-hooks-order-best-worst.html#post5196256</a></p>
<p>Ouch looks like you got jizzed all over.</p>
<p>looks like youre very mature.</p>
<p>Looks like you can't use apostrophes.</p>