<p>I was trying to check the AAMC website and it has the number of applicants that apply to medical school from each University but doesn’t have number of matriculants.
So can someone rank the universities according to % of medical applicants that matriculate with in the each category.</p>
<li>HYPMSC</li>
<li>Columbia, U. Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth</li>
<li>JHU, Duke, Nortwestern, U. Chicago</li>
<li>UCB, UCLA</li>
<li>USC, Tufts,</li>
<li>UCSD</li>
</ol>
<p>Actually, if you want the highest rate of success, LACs are probably the best bet.</p>
<p>Either way, you'll probably find that you already have them more or less in order.</p>
<p>You also need to look very carefully at school's numbers.</p>
<p>Sometimes a school's numbers look extraordinarily good because it has done a very stringent job of weeding out pre-med candidates, either through weedout courses or not supporting students when it comes time to apply to med school. So a higher percentage of only the very strongest candidates get through the gauntlet by the time it is time to apply to med school. </p>
<p>So you also need to look into how many students matriculate as pre-med and of that number how many survive to appply to med school.</p>
<p>UcLaAri is right--students get a lot more support in pursuing med school dreams at smaller , more intimate schools.</p>
<p>Or at larger, faceless, bureaucratic schools. Very top pre-med candidates at flagship state schools will get their pick of research and internship opportunities, and will be mentored and groomed by their departments. These same students might be middle of the pack at the top privates, many of which listed above.</p>
<p>(and they may also have money for med school).</p>
<p>It's a moot point because the location of one's education doesn't really add much to a given student's application. No student got into medical school because they went to Harvard. Harvard produces a lot of medical school students because the things that get one into Harvard are the same things that will help one get into medical school (intelligence, work ethic, time management, test taking skills, etc.)</p>
<p>Given that the emphasis is on what the applicant has accomplished, they should go to the school where this is most possible. Some people thrive when they have to compete for every single grade, every single campus leadership position, every single research spot. Others find their best when things aren't so competitive and they have a chance to stand out compared to their peers.</p>
<p>So what is required for med school.
1. Top GPA
2. Top MCAT score
3. Research/Internship</p>
<p>and that means school doesn't matter. I will be surprised if that is true. The yale session I attended informed that 90% of their applicants matriculate.</p>
<p>ParentOfIvyHope,</p>
<p>Why do you suppose that is? For one, remember that Yale vets applicants to med school (to the best of my knowledge.) That means that only qualified applicants will be applying in the first place!</p>
<p>Plus, the kind of person who's going to get into Yale in the first place is probably going to be intelligent, driven, and hard-working enough to get good grades and a good MCAT score.</p>
<p>The point is that a person with a 34 on the MCAT and a 3.8 from UCSD is probably not much less likely to get into a med school than the person with a 34 on the MCAT and a 3.8 from Penn.</p>
<p>Actually the #1 school for medical school admits is Xavier in LA. The Dean at UPenn stated the percentages, and after Katrina, Amherst took in a big part of the pre-med program because of its history.</p>
<p>POIH--I doubt statistics will be very helpful to you. This is because the MCAT scores of premeds from different tiers of schools will be markedly different. The only statistic that would be useful would be look at admission rates for specific ranges of GPA <em>and</em> MCAT scores. Like, for example, what would be the admission rate for students at State U. vs. Harvard who had a 3.6-3.7 GPA and 12-13 MCAT score? I doubt such statistics are available.</p>
<p>One thing I have heard is that LAC's are very well-respected among the top medical schools but some state medical schools just don't know what they're looking at. I think I read somewhere on CC that some people from Amherst got into Harvard Med with a 3.7 GPA but were rejected from their state med school. I don't remember the MCAT score though.</p>
<p>POIH, I think you may be overthinking this whole thing though. I don't really believe ivies are really harder than other good schools to get a good GPA, so the best bet would be to send your daughter to a place whose environment she feels good in, so that she will be able to work hard and be productive. If she learns her fundamentals well, she will also be able to get a good MCAT score.</p>
<p>Weeding makes % accepted an unreliable statistic.</p>
<p>As Bigredmed notes, what a student accomplishes in college matters much more than where they went. The famous places at the top of your list have high rates because of the students who enroll. Sky high SATs predict high MCATs. Sky high grades from high school predict high grades in college. Ambition, drive, and organization from high school predict the same features in college. Put them together and you have a successful med school applicant. At some of the most elite colleges the average student is at the successful premed level. This merely reflects the ability of the college to attract top students. At most colleges one has to be among the better students in order to have a chance at med school. </p>
<p>A few colleges publish detailed applicant qualification and admissions results, but not enough to help to do a broad comparison. Amherst indicated that one need not have a super high GPA, from Amherst, to have a good chance of being admitted. I believe they say GPA of 3.2 or better, along with MCAT of 30 and no MCAT section below a 10. This is a below average GPA for all Amherst grads. Princeton showed some numbers that suggested that a somewhat below average GPA from Princeton ("solid B+") was all that was required for med school admission. The average Princeton applicant had MCAT of around 33 or 34. In both cases you are talking about colleges that enroll unusually talented, ambitious, accomplished students to begin with.</p>
<p>UCLAri is correct re LACs. My Ds have been looking at schools with the ultimate goal of acceptance into vet school and 4 of their top choice LACs boast 80-100% med school acceptance. Of those, three have told us that 100% of the very few pre-vet students they have prepared have been accepted into vet school somewhere in the US their first year of application. Though we have two state Unis well known for their pre-veterinary program, they don't have that same kind of acceptance rate. </p>
<p>Since vet-school is harder to get into than med school, I think it's wise to look at some of the smaller schools to get your pre-med training. Off the top of my head I can tell you that Carroll College in Helena Montana has a 100% med school acceptance rate and I believe Occidental College does as well. I understand the prestige factor that would go into being able to say "I'm pre-med at HYP" but if you are looking for results LACs may better be able to get you where you want to go.</p>
<p>Bigredmed makes tons of sense too!</p>
<p>Another thing that you have to look at -- and this affects the numbers from the top-tier LACs a lot, I think -- is the fact that comparatively few kids from many of these schools go directly into medical school from college. So, for example, I think I remember that Amherst claims 100% placement in medical school, but that's based on something like 10 kids who applied to medical school in their senior year of college. (These are fuzzy memories. Maybe someone else knows real numbers.) Of course, there will eventually be a lot more than 10 medical school applicants per Amherst class, and it's not unreasonable to believe that most of them will be accepted at medical school somewhere. But the statistics are a little misleading.</p>
<p>There is constant debate about this in the University of Chicago forum, because of its relatively tough grading practices. Lots of people will say what UCLAri said above -- that at a given MCAT/GPA level the pedigree of a college doesn't matter -- but a medical school faculty member told my daughter differently when she was deciding where to go to college. (Not that she cared a whit what any medical school did.) In any event, few of the premeds my kids know there plan to apply to medical school while they are still undergraduates. Many don't even plan to take the MCATs until after graduation.</p>
<p>I would be surprised if only 90% of Yale premeds get into at least some medical school. I agree that this has little to do with how Yale prepares these students, but rather the fact that Yale only admits students with high potential in the first place.</p>
<p>This link Reed</a> College | Career Services | has lots of other links to info re: health careers and med school
whether or not you are interested in undergrad in Portland.</p>
<p>a friend of Ds who went to Reed is at her first choice med school- Tulane. She is interested in tropical medicine.</p>
<p>sry, but you are asking the wrong question, poh. IMO, a better question is how many matriculating frosh make it thru the premed curriculum to even apply to med school? Even looking at mean gpa doesn't tell you much bcos it is impossible to say whether its "easier" (or harder) to earn a 3.6 at Harvard or Johns Hopkins or Chicago. Heck, from a competitive standpoint alone, a kid who is HYPSM caliber, would be an absolute star at the University of mid-range. Sure, H & S have reputations for grade inflation, and the state Unis do not, but the fact is that many state Unis have kids who are borderline to begin with (as sakky frequently points out about Cal), so the competition is a whole lot different.</p>
<p>Some highly selective colleges on your list have up to 33% Frosh premeds. Obviously, only a small % of those actually end up applying to med school. Thus, the other factor to consider is major and social alternatives for the student who doesn't make it thru the premed guantlet....would they be happier at Cal or San Diego, for example.</p>
<p>"I would be surprised if only 90% of Yale premeds get into at least some medical school. I agree that this has little to do with how Yale prepares these students, but rather the fact that Yale only admits students with high potential in the first place."</p>
<p>The percentage of Yalies (as a proportion of the entire class) going to medical school following graduation has dropped 63% since 1975 (according to their website). That isn't to say that more couldn't go...only that they didn't. Those going are coming from somewhere else. </p>
<p>It isn't that Yale (or the others) aren't fantastic schools. It is only that the differences and distance between schools has narrowed greatly in the past 25 years.</p>
<p>Physician here- please don't deny your child the best fit, school they like, because of the statistics for getting into medical school. I personally would have hated being at an LAC instead of among a lot of science types. Let your child enjoy the undergraduate experience fully, probably wanting to do intense academics. Keep in mind that many premeds will change their minds- I would think a school that opens their eyes to other top science possibilities may be more rewarding than a school with good "premed courses".</p>
<p>US Newsweek ranks Johns Hopkins University as the "hottest" school for premed. Also, JHU has high matriculation rate to med school. JHU's matriculation rate is around 93%.</p>
<p>Duke, JHU, Tufts, and Holy Cross have great med school placement records. Holy Cross has placement rate at 87% and is building a $60 million science building.</p>
<p>I am sure JHU is not counting all those who enter saying they want to be pre-med but just the relative few who make it to the end with that goal still intact. I would say that is the same for most schools.</p>