<p>I second barrons. LOL!</p>
<p>nescac is better, followed by patriot league, and maybe even the Miac</p>
<p>dajada07,</p>
<p>Since when we have to make groups the same size when comparing their averages? If that's the case, why don't you do the same for SAT averages. Cut off the bottom (why not top by the way??) 1/3 of UPenn's student body and compares its score to Yale's (UPenn is about 1/3 bigger). Wow, that would make UPenn very much like Yale. I hope you understand the sacarsm of me and barrons.</p>
<p>sam,
I think you want the Big 10 to win, right?? I don't know if I'm right or if you're right, but I do know that when the ACC plays the Big 10 every year in the basketball pre-season challenge, they only play eleven games. The ACC gets no bonus from having a 12th team and no automatic victories because the Big 10 can't field a team. So why should they be penalized for having a 12th team? Anyway, that is my logic and I'm sticking to it.</p>
<p>Also, in case you missed the results, the ACC won again this year (8 games won to 3 for the Big 10) and this is the eighth consectutive year that the ACC has won, going back to the inception of the event. In total games, the score is ACC 45 Big Ten 27.</p>
<p>Any interest in expanding this next year to include the girls?</p>
<p>The Big 10 is known for being adept at sarcasm. Big 10 grads have had key roles in developing the Onion, The Daily Show, and The Colbert Report.</p>
<p>dajada07,</p>
<p>I am just trying to help you understand. Since when Big10/ACC preseason challenge has changed the most basic principle of statistics? You don't drop the lowest data (or pick and choose whatever you like) upon calculating averages (arithmetic mean to be precise) unless there's reason to believe they are outliers.</p>
<p>Ok, sam, so I take from your reply that you'd like to play 12 games next year. And we'll start the girls competition as well??</p>
<p>As long as we do ice hockey too. Men's and women's.</p>
<p>and lacrosse...and soccer...and tennis...and baseball...etc. </p>
<p>Other than hockey, in what sport would the Big 10 beat the ACC?</p>
<p>Wrestling and crew. But hockey is an income sport for Big 10 schools unlike those minor sports nobody really cares much about. Lots of players go on to the NHL. How many people pay to see your average soccer or tennis match? Wisconsin did win the NC in men's soccer a few years back.</p>
<p>dajada07,</p>
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Ok, sam, so I take from your reply that you'd like to play 12 games next year. And we'll start the girls competition as well??
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<p>The concept was simple yet you seem to have trouble getting it. I guess you can take it any way you want.</p>
<p>Michigan won the national softball title 2 years ago. I'm sort of caught in the middle of this spat (born and raised mostly in Michigan, went to grad school at Indiana and Iowa; alum of Boston College). I respect both conferences. Let's all get along. The big enemy is the Pac 10. Let's not forget that. By the way, Boston College is a perennial #1 in coed sailing. In your face, Iowa!!</p>
<p>I think it's clear that the Big 10 has the best grad schools of any conference (maybe the equal of the Ivies, considering how many more programs they offer than the the Ivies), and the ACC has the best undergrad schools of any conference (except the Ivies, the NESCAC, and maybe the Patriot League). Six of the ACC schools are in the top 38 of US News national universities (Duke, VA, NC, Wake, BC, GTech)...that's pretty good.</p>
<p>Actually in lacrosse, soccer, and tennis, you might be surprised at the crowds. I follow Virginia sports closely and UVA normally gets 2000-4000 for regular season lacrosse and soccer games (school record 7500 for game with Clemson last fall) and tennis has become very popular with crowds of over 1000 at indoor matches. The crowds go up substantially for the ncaa playoffs in each of these sports and ACC teams consistently have several teams in the running for national titles in each of these sports. Last year in Philadelphia, UVA won the national lacrosse title in front of a full house at the same stadium where the Eagles play (60,000+).</p>
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Why not cut off the Top 2?? Or one from each end.
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<p>pick random 10 from ACC and that would do it, like they do to the big 10 acc challenge every year in basketball, which ACC always wins</p>
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nescac is better, followed by patriot league, and maybe even the Miac
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<p>what the heck? what are those leagues? never heard, division 2,3?</p>
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Michigan won the national softball title 2 years ago. I'm sort of caught in the middle of this spat (born and raised mostly in Michigan, went to grad school at Indiana and Iowa; alum of Boston College). I respect both conferences. Let's all get along. The big enemy is the Pac 10. Let's not forget that. By the way, Boston College is a perennial #1 in coed sailing. In your face, Iowa!!</p>
<p>I think it's clear that the Big 10 has the best grad schools of any conference (maybe the equal of the Ivies, considering how many more programs they offer than the the Ivies), and the ACC has the best undergrad schools of any conference (except the Ivies, the NESCAC, and maybe the Patriot League). Six of the ACC schools are in the top 38 of US News national universities (Duke, VA, NC, Wake, BC, GTech)...that's pretty good.
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<p>hahaha i like ur post
Actually i think the ACC and PAC 10 challenge would be something awesome! too bad we're far apart :D big 10 in the middle got the luxury of playing the acc big 10 challenge :D</p>
<p>the acc will win any team sport that's not involving individual stats like soccer, basketball, field hockey, lacrosse blah blah</p>
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and lacrosse...and soccer...and tennis...and baseball...etc. </p>
<p>Other than hockey, in what sport would the Big 10 beat the ACC?
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<p>Let's see... football, volleyball, wrestling, fencing, softball, water polo, gymnastics, swimming/diving, crew and pretty even in tennis.</p>
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the acc will win any team sport that's not involving individual stats like soccer, basketball, field hockey, lacrosse blah blah
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<p>Hmmmm - I wonder how ever did a B10 team win the national championship in lax (W) for the past 2 years and is favored to 3-peat this year (NU); how ever did a B10 team finish as the runner-up to the nationa champ in softball (NU); how ever did Indiana win 7 naitional championships in soccer (more than any ACC school); etc.?</p>
<p>And I guess football, hockey, volleyball, water polo and crew aren't team sports - blah, blah, blah.</p>
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Six of the ACC schools are in the top 38 of US News national universities (Duke, VA, NC, Wake, BC, GTech)...that's pretty good.
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<p>And 3 ACC schools are ranked BELOW the top 76 (the lowest for the B10 is 70).</p>
<p>(Plus, UoChicago is part of the "Academic B10" or the CIC.)</p>
<p>chaoses,</p>
<p>k&s just listed bunch of sports that are team sports but just not what acc is good at (relative to pac10; volleyball, softball, water polo, tennis, crew). Either you don't watch much of these sports or you just give a new definition: teams sports are those at which acc is good. ;)</p>
<p>chaoses,</p>
<p>One more thing, what is this whole individual vs team sports divide? Cal didn't win the swimming TEAM championship when they had arguably the best and most dominant female swimmer in NCAA history (Natalie Coughlin; she did win bunch of <em>individual</em> NCAA championships though), did they? Did you forget <em>relay</em>? Swimmers on the same team train <em>together</em> and push each other as a <em>team</em> (sorry to state the obvious). Interesting how people make excuses out of virtually nothing. :)</p>
<p>samlee,
I know nothing about the ACC teams (if they even have any) in volleyball, softball, water polo and crew, but they sure do in tennis and it will probably surprise you that the ACC is now much stronger than the Pac 10, the Big 10 and the SEC. In the most recent college rankings released on 1/30 for mens tennis, the ACC has eight teams ranked in the top 30: Virginia (5), Duke (8), Miami (10), Florida State (13), UNC (23), Clemson (25), Wake Forest (26) and Georgia Tech (27). By comparison, the Pac 10 has four schools in the Top 30: UCLA (4), Washington (16), California (18), and Stanford (19). The next ranked Pac 10 school is USC at 43. Granted, the Pac 10 history is far stronger as Stanford has won tons of national titles and UCLA is the current defending champion, but top to bottom today, the ACC is clearly the stronger conference in this sport.</p>
<p>If you can find those tennis rankings online, why can't you find info about those other sports online? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>By the way, are you going to take intro to stats?</p>
<p>I like tennis and follow closely what is happening in this sport. As for the others, I'm sure that they have great appeal for some, but I personally couldn't care less. If you want to pursue this and do all the research, then knock yourself out. </p>
<p>I'll take intro to stats when you agree to play 12 games next year in the ACC Big Ten Challenge (although after eight years of ACC dominance it is pretty clear that challenge is a misnomer as the Big Ten hasn't represented much of a challenge).</p>