Ranking the acc schools

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Do you always have a problem with words (and remembering what you stated previously)?</p>

<p>You stated that ONE team doesn't make a conference good in a sport (implying that the B10 has had only 1 good team in soccer) - I merely pointed out that such as statement was inherently FALSE.
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<p>Indiana won 7, the rest of big 10 won 3 TOTAL (in college soccer), isn't that a one team run? The rest of big ten never made it pass second round in ncaa tournament the last several years, except indiana, isn't the conference hold only 1 good team? and ur criticizing about somebody implying ONE year that the ACC is good in some sport? Still, big ten holds championship less than ACC so ACC wins in soccer anyway. We already established that.</p>

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Grow up! It doesn't matter who knows more about soccer (I may or you may - who cares?). Your previous statement (like many others of yours) was flat-out FALSE (and if you really knew about soccer - you wouldn't have made such a mistake).

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<p>oh of course it doesn't matter who knows more soccer, but it matters if someone who knows less and yap their mouth more.</p>

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You stated that ONE team doesn't make a conference good in a sport (implying that the B10 has had only 1 good team in soccer) - I merely pointed out that such as statement was inherently FALSE.

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<p>K&S
You pointed out that it's false? by what? saying big ten has 3 other championships within the last 40+ years? OKKKK! 2 championships michingan state won were actually co-champs with other schools (one with maryland) because they didn't have PK back then. What else to back up ur statement? uhmm let's see Wisconsin won 1 title (it's 10 years ago) in college soccer history and it's in the big ten and that makes the big ten a strong soccer conference???</p>

<p>something like indiana won 4 titles in the last 10 years, that makes it a national powerhouse in soccer. Ok that's valid. But that's one school. Every major media analyst (ESPN, soccernet ...) says that the ACC is currently the strongest soccer conference. I can pull out an article for you. You have no knowledge of this sport to back up ur statements and start saying I have problem with words?</p>

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Indiana won 7, the rest of big 10 won 3 TOTAL (in college soccer), *isn't that a one team run? *

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<p>Uhhh - NO! Duh!</p>

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The rest of big ten never made it pass second round in ncaa tournament the last several years, except indiana, isn't the conference hold only 1 good team?

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<p>Sorry - but you are wrong again. NU made it to the Elite Eight this past year (and oh, btw, the B10 had the 2nd highest RPI conference ranking).</p>

<p>Other Big Ten teams that have gone deep into the NCAA tournament recently include PSU, OSU and Mich (and oh - the B10 only has 7 schools with mens varsity programs - pretty much all of them have made the tourney recently).</p>

<p>The B10 have also sent at least 3 teams to the women's tourney 11 years in a row (4 teams went this year).</p>

<p>So - your assertion that the B10 is a "1 team" soccer conference is (like many of your other assertions) - flat out WRONG!</p>

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and ur criticizing about somebody implying ONE year that the ACC is good in some sport? Still, big ten holds championship less than ACC so ACC wins in soccer anyway. We already established that.

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<p>Uhh - NO ONE's arguing that - duh! (Once again - I merely pointed put that your claim that the B10 was a "1 team" conference was FALSE - not that the B10 is better than the ACC in soccer, esp. since the B10 only fields 7 teams on the mens side.)</p>

<p>But then the ACC can't claim tennis and a bunch of other sports either (sorry - but you can't get away with mishmashing arguments here and there in a weak attempt to save your pride).</p>

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oh of course it doesn't matter who knows more soccer, but it matters if someone who knows less and yap their mouth more.

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<p>Speak of the devil (esp. since you have been WRONG on so many accounts).</p>

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Indiana won 7, the rest of big 10 won 3 TOTAL (in college soccer), isn't that a one team run?
Uhhh - NO! Duh!

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<p>how in the world do u consider 3 titles in 50 years (2 share titles with other teams, and none of them are from the last 10 years) contribute to the current conference strength? </p>

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Sorry - but you are wrong again. NU made it to the Elite Eight this past year (and oh, btw, the B10 had the 2nd highest RPI conference ranking).

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<p>Just to get this straight, we know who is the first, no need to argue. Correct?</p>

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oh - the B10 only has 7 schools with mens varsity programs - pretty much all of them have made the tourney recently

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<p>oh a nice excuse, the ACC has 9, including the current addition of boston college (which reduces the strength of the conference) still sent 8 candidates to the 2005 ncaa last year and 6 this year. The big ten sent 2. We were arguing about which conference is stronger in soccer: ACC or Big Ten, and you jumps in and direct it to a big ten focus and just disregarded all about the acc. Ok, big ten doesn't have one good team in soccer this year, it has 2. Happy? The point is none made it far enough and as an overall assessment in the last several years, only Indiana stands out in the big ten.</p>

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Other Big Ten teams that have gone deep into the NCAA tournament recently include PSU, OSU and Mich

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<p>I don't see psu, osu, michigan anywhere recently, not in the top 25 polls, not in the bracket that says deep into the ncaa tournament. Where do you get this?</p>

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But then the ACC can't claim tennis and a bunch of other sports either (sorry - but you can't get away with mishmashing arguments here and there in a weak attempt to save your pride).

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<p>I never talked about tennis! Where are u bringing this again? I did talk about some other sports and put a list of championships up there, as you can see, the acc wins in those sports too.</p>

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how in the world do u consider 3 titles in 50 years (2 share titles with other teams, and none of them are from the last 10 years) contribute to the current conference strength?

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<p>Since when does winning a title contribute to a conference strength - as opposed to (1) making the NCAA tourney and (2) advancing beyond the 2nd round (I like how you keep changing the criteria, after I had pointed out where you have been factually WRONG), esp. since, in the past 10 yrs, the B10 has 4 4 national championships to the ACC's 2 (by your logic, only NC and MD should account for the ACC's strength in soccer).</p>

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"Sorry - but you are wrong again. NU made it to the Elite Eight this past year (and oh, btw, the B10 had the 2nd highest RPI conference ranking)." </p>

<p>Just to get this straight, we know who is the first, no need to argue. Correct?

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<p>Uhh - once again, NO ONE was arguing that (nice to see that you have to keep changing the issue, since you don't have a solid foot to stand on) - but it was fun to correct your ignorance and baseless claims.</p>

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oh a nice excuse, the ACC has 9, including the current addition of boston college (which reduces the strength of the conference)

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<p>You guys seems to have no problem using the new additions in your arguments FB.</p>

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still sent 8 candidates to the 2005 ncaa last year and 6 this year. The big ten sent 2. We were arguing about which conference is stronger in soccer: ACC or Big Ten

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<p>Hello? NOBODY but YOU is arguing about that (really, how obtuse can you get?)!</p>

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I don't see psu, osu, michigan anywhere recently, not in the top 25 polls, not in the bracket that says deep into the ncaa tournament. Where do you get this?

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<p>Do some research.</p>

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I never talked about tennis! Where are u bringing this again? I did talk about some other sports and put a list of championships up there, as you can see, the acc wins in those sports too.

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<p>Keep up with the overall flow of arguments.</p>

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<p>Soccer sucks and nobody cares. How about cross-country, rowing, wrestling?</p>

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<p>1 Duke
2 UVA
3 UNC
4 Wake Forest
5 Boston College
6 Georgia Tech
7 Virginia Tech
8 Clemson
9 Maryland
10 Miami
11 NC State
12 Florida St.</p>

<p>(BC and Wake are kinda tied IMO)</p>

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<p>Isn't that sort of the USNR ranking?</p>

<p>With all the talk about Michigan and Berkeley being underranked, and Wash U St. Louis being overranked, I'm surprised that few have mentioned Wake's ranking. I LOVE Wake, and think it is slammed in the PA ranking due to its previous religious roots...but I think it is very similar to BC in that both provide great undergrad educations with devoted profs, without the benefit of nationally ranked departments. If you think the profs at Wake or BC are second-rate, think again.</p>

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<p>K&S </p>

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since, in the past 10 yrs, the B10 has 4 4 national championships to the ACC's 2 (by your logic, only NC and MD should account for the ACC's strength in soccer).

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<p>why is the cutoff 10 year? why not go back to 15-20 years where UVA won 4 consecutives? why not 50 years of ncaa soccer history? I think u misunderstood. What I said was michgan st's share titles in the 60s doesn't make the Big Ten strong now! So if u agree to my logic, isn't that Big Ten only has 1 good team because only indiana won anything for the big ten. Aren't u contradicting what ur arguing about the big ten has 1 good team?</p>

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You guys seems to have no problem using the new additions in your arguments FB.

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<p>I never argued about adding BC makes the ACC stronger. It makes the ACC stronger in football, but weaker in other sports. So the addition isn't an excuse to bring up the conference or down. It brings up the conference in football but it brings down the conference in soccer (for example)</p>

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Hello? NOBODY but YOU is arguing about that (really, how obtuse can you get?)!

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<p>please go back and read! almost everybody involving the argument was arguing about which conference is stronger in soccer (me, dajada, sam lee ...) ur the only one jumping in and brings it somewhere else.</p>

<p>again, i give back ur quote

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Keep up with the overall flow of arguments.

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1 Duke
2 UVA
3 UNC
4 Wake Forest
5 Boston College
6 Georgia Tech
7 Virginia Tech
8 Clemson
9 Maryland
10 Miami
11 NC State
12 Florida St.

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<p>uh overall in sports + academic, clemson can not be better than maryland.</p>

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why is the cutoff 10 year? why not go back to 15-20 years where UVA won 4 consecutives? why not 50 years of ncaa soccer history? I think u misunderstood. What I said was michgan st's share titles in the 60s doesn't make the Big Ten strong now! So if u agree to my logic, isn't that Big Ten only has 1 good team because only indiana won anything for the big ten. Aren't u contradicting what ur arguing about the big ten has 1 good team?

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<p>Uhh - you (and some of your compatriots) have been arguing how good the ACC is in certain sports based on their rankings, etc. the past year.</p>

<p>As I had pointed out - taking 1 year is highly biased, since things can change drastically from year to year (for example, in 2005, the ACC was the 4th best conference in baseball).</p>

<p>10 years seems to be a good time-period (recent history, but long enough to do away with year to year fluctuations), but 15 or 20 years will do as well (btw, Wisconsin won a soccer title in 1995).</p>

<p>As for the argument of titles - read this statement again.</p>

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Since when does winning a title contribute to a conference strength - as opposed to (1) making the NCAA tourney and (2) advancing beyond the 2nd round (I like how you keep changing the criteria, after I had pointed out where you have been factually WRONG), esp. since, in the past 10 yrs, the B10 has 4 4 national championships to the ACC's 2 (by your logic, only NC and MD should account for the ACC's strength in soccer).

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<p>Hint - I was pointing out how ridiculous your argument was.</p>

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please go back and read! almost everybody involving the argument was arguing about which conference is stronger in soccer (me, dajada, sam lee ...) ur the only one jumping in and brings it somewhere else.

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<p>Uhh - no. No one was arguing that the B10 was better in soccer - actually, you were the only one making that argument (in order to counter it).</p>

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<p>this is a silly argument (ACC vs Big Ten) </p>

<p>The ACC has better Undergrad academics, and all around better sports</p>

<p>the Big Ten has better Graduate schools and is better at football considering that the ACC has been down for a few years</p>

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The ACC has better Undergrad academics, and all around better sports.

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<p>What's silly is that you have not given any real basis for either claim.</p>

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<p>i have, just not in that post, dont feel like writing everything over again</p>

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Uhh - you (and some of your compatriots) have been arguing how good the ACC is in certain sports based on their rankings, etc. the past year.

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<p>uhm... actually don't lump me in because I did put a list of comparison in certain sports OVER THE PAST 10-15 YEARS! Actually I was against that because someone did pick a year that Stanford / UCLA wins the director cup. So that statement of urs is wrong right there! </p>

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As I had pointed out - taking 1 year is highly biased, since things can change drastically from year to year (for example, in 2005, the ACC was the 4th best conference in baseball).

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<p>yes, taking 1 year is biased, then why are u taking 2005 to say that the ACC is the 4th best conference??? If it's biased and doesn't show anything, why are u doing it as an example? contradiction right there!</p>

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10 years seems to be a good time-period (recent history, but long enough to do away with year to year fluctuations), but 15 or 20 years will do as well (btw, Wisconsin won a soccer title in 1995).

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<p>Yes, so does UVA 4 consecutives. So if taking back 15-20 years, The big ten only has 5 titles, ACC has 6. If you choose that way (just counting national titles), are u showing that ACC is better than big ten? </p>

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the B10 has 4 4 national championships to the ACC's 2 (by your logic, only NC and MD should account for the ACC's strength in soccer).

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<p>If only counting titles, indiana is the only team from big ten that won anything during that span. If u agree to that, aren't u contracting urself that ur arguing the Big Ten doesn't have 1 good team? So ur full of contradictions there</p>

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Uhh - no. No one was arguing that the B10 was better in soccer - actually, you were the only one making that argument (in order to counter it).

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<p>I was the only one making the argument that big ten was better in soccer? oh no (actually I made the opposite) I said ACC is better in soccer!</p>

<p>obviously u haven't read enough! sam lee did say he was surprised and thought that the big ten was better in soccer than ACC because my list got cut off. dajada did say "and lacrosse...and soccer...and tennis...and baseball...etc.
Other than hockey, in what sport would the Big 10 beat the ACC?"
And let's not forget that in order to defend the big ten from being weaker than ACC in soccer, you did say

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how ever did Indiana win 7 naitional championships in soccer (more than any ACC school); etc.?

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<p>wow! i see lots of contradictions from ur posts there!</p>

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<p>Notre Dame leaving Big East for ACC</p>

<p>[Notre</a> Dame leaving Big East for ACC | wzzm13.com](<a href=“http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/224991/243/Notre-Dame-leaving-Big-East-for-ACC]Notre”>http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/224991/243/Notre-Dame-leaving-Big-East-for-ACC)</p>

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<p>^ I guess they really don’t like the B1G. Haha!</p>

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<p>ND is more of an academic school with a football program, while B1G schools are typically large football schools with academic programs. ND probably fits in the ACC better than any other conference given that the ACC is probably second only to the Ivy in terms of academics.</p>

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<p>Sparkeye, you had to pull up a 5 year old thread to post this?</p>

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<p>informative,</p>

<p>It depends on how you define “academics”. Academic programs, research, and international ranking? NO way. Undergraduate student body as measured by SAT scores and acceptance rates? I can give you that. </p>

<p>By the way, given that ACC has the least character (or we can call that positively as “diverse”), it’d make sense a former independent would fit in there better than others.</p>