<p>Including the new expansion teams my opinion</p>
<ol>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Notre Dame (Just joined for non football)</li>
<li>UVA</li>
<li>Boston College</li>
<li>Wake Forest</li>
<li>UNC</li>
<li>Georgia Tech</li>
<li>UMiami</li>
<li>Maryland</li>
<li>Virginia Tech</li>
<li>Clemson</li>
<li>Pitt</li>
<li>NC State</li>
<li>Syracuse</li>
<li>FSU</li>
</ol>
<p>Actually Sam Lee the Big East has the least character if you are talking in terms of football prestige, school loyalty, and sticking true to the geographics (SDSU and Boise State??)</p>
<p>ACC should drop their name and become the Big East.<br>
Pitt and ND additions aren’t in states that have an Atlantic Coast.</p>
<p>Sam,</p>
<p>Better by prestige, admissions standards, rankings, quality of students, success of graduates, etc., etc. The same things we use to say the Ivy league is the best. </p>
<p>If you want to look at some other quality of a grouping of schools, go ahead, but that’s not how we rank schools. Otherwise, the B1G would be a better grouping of schools than the Ivy league, which is preposterous.</p>
<p>Most of the AQ conferences schools don’t all match the geographic names anymore</p>
<p>PAC 12 - Colorado
ACC - ND
SEC - TAMU
Big East - SDSU</p>
<p>Although you could make an argument that ND is more of an elite east coast school located in the midwest, kind of like Duke in the south. They may be located their, but their alums typically end up in bigger markets along the northeast corridor.</p>
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<p>Thanks for the notice, Erin’s Dad!! lol</p>
<p>Hopefully I’ve conserved a bit of forum storage memory by doing so instead of opening a new thread… :)</p>
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I don’t see how ACC has better prestige when its peer assessment by academia is lower than the BIG and perhaps the Pac12. By rankings, I guess you selectively think of only the USN college ranking, not graduate nor international rankngs. The BIG and perhaps the Pac12 are closer to the Ivy in the latter two categories than the ACC. “Success of graduates”…this one makes me laugh!</p>
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The Ivy League is top in all the criteria I mentioned. They shouldn’t be that foreign to you. Otherwise, maybe you shouldn’t call yourself “informative”. </p>
<p>Hope the following isn’t too much information for you:
AWRU top 30 world universities: Big Ten 5, ACC 0
THES top 30 world universities: Big Ten 3, ACC 2
THES top 30 US universities: Big Ten 4, ACC 2
QS top 30 world universities: Big Ten 2, ACC 1
QS top 30 US universities: Big Ten 4, ACC 2
NRC top 30 Math: Big Ten 7, ACC 1
NRC top 30 Physics: Big Ten 4, ACC 1
NRC top 30 Chemistry: Big Ten 8, ACC 2
NRC top 30 Biology/Integrated Biology: Big Ten 3, ACC 2
NRC top 30 Ecology/Evolutionary Biology: Big Ten 5, ACC 2
NRC top 30 Genetics/Genomics: Big Ten 4, ACC 2
NRC top 30 Economics: Big Ten 5, ACC 2
NRC top 30 Political Science: Big Ten 7, ACC 3
NRC top 30 Psychology: Big Ten 5, ACC 1
NRC top 30 History: Big Ten 6, ACC 2
NRC top 30 English: Big Ten 6, ACC 2
NRC top 30 French: Big Ten 7, ACC 2
NRC top 30 Chemical Engineering: Big Ten 8, ACC 2
NRC top 30 Electrical/Computer Engineering: Big Ten 6, ACC 4
NRC top 30 Materials Science/Engineering: Big Ten 6, ACC 2
NRC top 30 Mechanical Engineering: Big Ten 6, ACC 3
US News top 30 Undergrad Engineering: Big Ten 8, ACC 3
US News top 30 Undergrad Business: Big Ten 10, ACC 4
US News top 30 Graduate Business: Big Ten 6, ACC 4
US News top 30 Law: Big Ten 5, ACC 2
US News top 30 Medicine: Big Ten 4, ACC 3
US News top 25 Veterinary Medicine: Big Ten 6, ACC 2
US News top 30 Public Health: Big Ten 4, ACC 2
US News top 30 Social Work: Big Ten 6, ACC 2
US News top 30 Public Affairs: Big Ten 5, ACC 4
US News top 30 Fine Arts: Big Ten 5, ACC 0</p>
<p>Sam Lee,</p>
<p>Don’t know about the rest of your numbers, but I do know that the ACC has at least 3 law schools in the top 30, not 2 as you state. They are Duke, UVA and BC.</p>
<p>Anyone else spot inaccuracies?</p>
<p>Sam, those rankings are useless since absolute ratings don’t tell us the real differences between schools as the difference between programs #1-5 in terms of reputation may be greater than the difference between programs #6-50.</p>
<p>For Law School, there is Duke and UVA for the ACC and Michigan and Northwestern for the B1G.
These are all essentially peer schools while there is a drastic dropoff to get to Minnesota for the B1G or BC for the ACC (the next best law schools). So, we have a tie here.</p>
<p>For Business School, there is Kellogg for Northwestern which trumps any other b-school in the two conferences and there’s Michigan’s Ross which is tied with Duke Fuqua and UVA Darden. I would again say there is a dropoff in both conferences when you get to Indiana Kelley and UNC Kenan-Flagler.</p>
<p>For Medical School, there’s Duke Medicine which is in a league of its own and then there’s UM Medicine and Feinberg for Northwestern. Both are slightly better than UNC/UVA Med Schools.</p>
<p>Overall, I would say that the ACC trumps the B1G for undergraduate education while they are both equals in the professional/graduate world.</p>
<p>Besides, the ACC now has Notre Dame too.;)</p>
<p>^^I just copied and pasted those from another thread. Changing 2 to 3 doesn’t really make any difference to the point I made. I am sure you know that. ACC doesn’t seem to be better in “academics”. If what’s he’s referring to was really just test scores for undergrad admission, just be specific on that.</p>
<p>"^^I just copied and pasted those from another thread. Changing 2 to 3 doesn’t really make any difference to the point I made."</p>
<p>Well, actually it would make a difference if the rest of the data you “copied” has errors in it as well.</p>
<p>Also, goldenboy, I fail to see how being ranked 28th (BC Law) constitutes a “drastic dropoff” from those in the T14 (Duke, UVA). A ‘dropoff’, yes, but ‘drastic’ – no.</p>
<p>^I have a rough idea of those rankings and the data “look” correct to me. It’s consistent with what I’ve always known about ACC: it’s slightly weaker in research. bclintonk is known for providing detailed and reliable data and I have no reason to believe he would make up numbers. That said, I keep an open mind and you are welcome to go through each of them and maybe you can surprise me (though I am more interested in differences that actually alter the whole picture, not another difference of 1).</p>
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And for science and engineering???</p>
<p>UCBChemEGrad,</p>
<p>Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and Duke match up pretty well with Illinois, Michigan, and Northwestern for science and engineering fields.</p>
<p>^Actually, I don’t think Duke is as strong as the others in engineering. I also don’t think GA Tech and VA Tech are as strong in sciences. You also forgot that Wisconin is great in both and Purdue (possibly Minni) is definitely up there in engineering. Ohio State is pretty decent also. I could be a little off here and there but overall, it’s indisputable that the BIG has the edge in science & engineering.</p>
<p>Duke is ranked #20 in Undergraduate Engineering according to USNWR so its pretty solid. Its Duke’s biggest weakness but sometimes a school’s weakness can also be seen as a strength relatively speaking. I think its as good as VaTech now but still a notch behind Illinois, Michigan, and GA Tech.</p>
<p>^
NAE members:</p>
<p>B1G:
Illinois = 27
Michigan = 26 (1 emeritus)
Wisconsin = 20
Northwestern = 19 (1 emeritus)
Purdue = 19 (1 emeritus)
Minnesota = 15 (4 emeritus)
Ohio State = 12
Penn State = 10 (2 emeritus)
Michigan State = 3
Nebraska = 1
Indiana = 1
Iowa = 0 </p>
<p>Total = 153</p>
<p>ACC:
Georgia Tech = 26
Maryland = 15 (1 emeritus)
Virginia Tech = 10 (1 is emeritus)
Virginia = 10
North Carolina State = 8
North Carolina = 5
Miami = 4
Notre Dame = 4 (1 emeritus)
Duke = 4 (2 are emeritus)
Clemson = 2
Pitt = 2
Syracuse = 2
Florida State = 1
Boston College = 0
Wake Forest = 0</p>
<p>Total = 93</p>
<p>Faculty research-wise, Duke is very weak in engineering, despite its #20 engineering rank. I suspect the biomed program elevates its status in reputation. Engineering powerhouses such as UVA, Notre Dame, UNC and Miami have more current NAE members than Duke…haha!</p>
<p>Source:
<a href=“http://www.nae.edu/MembersSection/Directory20412.aspx[/url]”>http://www.nae.edu/MembersSection/Directory20412.aspx</a></p>
<p>They’re pretty close by average actually.</p>
<p>B1G:
Northwestern Rank 12
Michigan Rank 29
Wisconsin Rank 41
Penn State Rank 46
Illinois Rank 46
Ohio State Rank 56
Purdue Rank 65
Minnesota Rank 68
Michigan State Rank 72
Iowa Rank 72
Indiana Rank 83
Nebraska Rank 101</p>
<p>B1G Average – 57.58</p>
<p>ACC:
Duke Rank 8
Notre Dame Rank 17
Virginia Rank 24
Wake Forest Rank 27
North Carolina Rank 30
Boston College Rank 31
Georgia Tech Rank 36
Miami Rank 44
Syracuse Rank 58
Maryland Rank 58
Pitt Rank 58
Clemson Rank 68
Virginia Tech Rank 72
Florida St Rank 97
North Carolina State Rank 106</p>
<p>ACC Average – 48.93</p>
<p>^^ That’s 15 ACC members vs 12 B1G members!! lol</p>
<p>Note: ND will only be a partial member of ACC as it will continue to remain independent in terms of its clown jewel football program. Moreover, it is fair to add “Chicago” in terms of Big Ten academic talk which would be the 13 CIC members. </p>
<p>QUOTE:</p>
<p>“The Committee on Institutional Cooperation was established by the presidents of the Big Ten members in 1958 as the conference’s academic counterpart. An invitation extended to the University of Chicago, one of the founding members of the Big Ten who withdrew from the conference in 1946, was accepted.”</p>
<p>[History</a> of CIC](<a href=“http://www.cic.net/home/aboutcic/CicHistory.aspx]History”>http://www.cic.net/home/aboutcic/CicHistory.aspx)</p>
<p>B1G (CIC)</p>
<p>Chicago Rank 4
Northwestern Rank 12
Michigan Rank 29
Wisconsin Rank 41
Penn State Rank 46
Illinois Rank 46
Ohio State Rank 56
Purdue Rank 65
Minnesota Rank 68
Michigan State Rank 72
Iowa Rank 72
Indiana Rank 83
Nebraska Rank 101</p>
<p>Prior to adding Nebraska, CIC average were - 43.5</p>
<p>With Neb, B1G / CIC Average is now - 47.92</p>
<p>ACC</p>
<p>Duke Rank 8
Notre Dame Rank 17
Virginia Rank 24
Wake Forest Rank 27
North Carolina Rank 30
Boston College Rank 31
Georgia Tech Rank 36
Miami Rank 44
Syracuse Rank 58
Maryland Rank 58
Pitt Rank 58
Clemson Rank 68
Virginia Tech Rank 72
Florida St Rank 97
North Carolina State Rank 106</p>
<p>ACC Average – 48.93 </p>
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<p>Indeed, they are!! :)</p>
<p>*Our recently established most prestigious Conference Championship Trophy was also named in honor of coach Amos Alonzo Stagg of University of Chicago Maroons.</p>