<p>honestly, I am biased. I do not understand why a school like Dartmouth gets all the praises on this board, it seems sooo incredibly overrated as well as Brown. Sure they are very selective, but after that, they don't have the academic resources nor the faculty to be esteeemed like they are. I didn't even apply to dart b/c i knew if i was going to the middle of no where, I would want to go to a school that is WELL KNOWN all over and not just by ppl in academic circles. No one has heard of dart or brown out here in Cali. They are great schools, but not for me.</p>
<p>Take a look at this(source: almaz.com) an then tell me who rules the ivy league in terms of originating researchers:</p>
<p>Nobel Prize Laureates' Alma Maters
brought to you by
The Nobel Prize Internet Archive </p>
<p>Cambridge University's 80 Winners
University of Chicago's 77 Winners
Columbia's 71 Winners
MIT's 59 Winners
Oxford's 47 winners
Harvard's 41 Winners
Trinity College's 31 Winners
John Hopkins University's 31 winners
Caltech's 29 Winners
Princeton's 28 Winners
Cornell University's 29 Winners
Stanford's 23 Winners (17 living and 6 deceased)
University of Manchester's 21 Winners
The Rockefeller University's 20 Winners
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign's 20 winners
University of Berkeley's 18 Winners. (57 depending on who's counting)
Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine, University of London 14 winners
London School of Economics 13 winners (alumni and staff)
University of Utrecht's 12 winners
Bell Laboratories' 11 Winners
University of Vienna's 9 winners</p>
<p>OOps Cornell is also far ahead from Yale, isn't it?</p>
<p>I don't see why you would go to Columbia for engineering.</p>
<p>Columbia engineering might be the most well-rounded engineering program in the country in the sense that engineers there get an education far beyond just normal engineering schools. They must take an abbreviated CORE and so while they learn engineering skills, they also learn about the classics, how to work well with teams (because of the Gateway program) and have the major opportunities of NYC.</p>
<p>Sounds like a pretty good program to me.</p>
<p>Sounds good to someone who is interested in the liberal arts, yes, but it seems to me that most quants scoff at the classics. Most of the kids I know in SEAS always ask me why I bother studying Classics (as in Latin and Greek language and lit) and it seems evident to me that such people would be happy with a very focused engineering program.</p>
<p>I guess in theory, the Columbia SEAS students are also interested in liberal arts. I agree, if they're focused only on quantitative reasoning, there's not much of a reason to attend Columbia besides the school's mystique. My local newspaper publishes a brief profile of area valedictorians, and a girl from a small private high school noted that she will attend Harvard with an eye to become an engineer! Similar misguidedness, I think.</p>
<p>Well, yes, but this thread is not only about engineering, ist it?</p>
<p>No, but the latest discussion has been.</p>
<p>Well yes, but let's return to the original purpose of the thread.</p>
<p>Why? What else can we possibly say about subjective views of the Ivies?</p>