RateMyProfessor.com -- Good or Bad?

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<p>RMP reviews would not be the sole basis for any of the mentioned evaluations. And no, it would not be enough to fire a full time (I assume you mean tenured) professor. But as I said it can play a role in the minds of members of promotion or tenure committees as well as the administration. Does it appear in the committee report? No. But H has served on many committees where the RMP ratings have been mentioned. It seems at his institution that if it is someone they want to keep (for whatever reason), negative reviews are explained away or dismissed, but positive reviews bolster their case. And also the opposite - if it is someone they want to get rid of, negative reviews just add fuel to the fire. Again, it is not mentioned in the committee report, but it has been talked about and perhaps used to convince other committee members of a certain view. Hiring committees have also checked RMP for an applicant from another institution. Again, if they want the applicant, they dismiss the negative and in one case, they should have paid attention.</p>

<p>H has also had discussions with faculty from other universities who have expressed the same concerns over RMP.</p>

<p>And yes, student evaluations are used for tenure and promotion. But H knows of cases where a professor has buddied up to his students and prompted them to give him good reviews. So that does not give the committees and administration an objective view either.</p>

<p>MY D has successfully used the in-house site for her school to choose professors where she was able and it has turned out well for her and she’s very glad she chose her courses based on that and not just times of day. She chose one math professor that was not easy but was noted as being a strong teacher and D truly got a lot out of the class and went on to take this professor again. She doesn’t use the ratings to find the easy classes, just the ones that work best with her learning style and so far so good. Some of her classes she has to choose based on only one section but where she has a choice it works well. I think she uses the site created by students at her specific school more than RMP but I think that’s because the in-house one has more pertinent reviews.</p>

<p>I think this website is filling a needed gap but it has some serious problems. Profs can write about themselves, many times over. As can disgruntled kids. And sample size makes a big difference even if all the cases are not independent (something most kids would never know to factor into the equation). </p>

<p>What universities should be doing is collecting and posting better evaluations directly, ones that are not subject to the problems with this website. Students need a chance to give feedback and learn from prior students but this website is just nonsense (and I say that as someone who looks darn good on there, as does my spouse). </p>

<p>Having said that, the downside of student evals even done by universities is it becomes playing the popularity game. It is extremely easy to get very high evaluations, and they have nothing at all to do with how well one teaches. Indeed I think its one reason for grade inflation, the dumbing down of curriculum, and the students belief that coming to class should be a form of entertainment. A recent study showed that calculus professors who were most disliked by their students were ones whose students actually performed BETTER on the subsequent calculus class in the sequence. Sometimes the ‘worst’ profs are ones that are plain tough and ultimately teach the most.</p>

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No, actually I think the students with those profs were forced to make an extra effort to master the material on their own, through outside resources or self-study. They did better in the long run because of their intense self-study, during which their ability to problem-solve on their own was enhanced – all no thanks to the prof. </p>

<p>It worked for calculus because mathematics is a constant. No matter who teaches or how you learn, calculus is always calculus – the mathematical formula and the conceptual understanding will always yield the same results. </p>

<p>That wouldn’t work for anything other than mathematics. It wouldn’t work for a lab science because students can’t properly do chemistry in their dorm rooms, and it wouldn’t work for humanities or social sciences where exploration of multiple ideas and perspectives is important.</p>

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Even then, there can be problems. Now that students can do reviews online in some schools, students can review a course even if they barely went to class (I had some review recitations who only attended twice.) Also, you can still have disgruntled students who want to take it out on the professor, or try to get the professor fired for failing them. </p>

<p>As for calculus, I once taught a Calc I course where I started with 32 students, lost 2 and failed 1 or 2. The guy teaching the course in the room next to me lost 1/3 of his class through drops. The students who passed my course and went on to a higher level did fine. Nonetheless, one student wrote on her review that I should be fired.</p>

<p>^Well sure, but far far less error. Doing it in class, one per student, over many sections and years…you get a bit of error, but mostly a true story (whereas rate my prof can be composed of merely 40 students, 20 of whom are the same motivated and angry one). </p>

<p>Re: calculus class study. The study controlled for differential mortality rate across sections, along with lots of other obvious variables that could explain the relationship. I’ll try to look it up.</p>

<p>Still searching, but meanwhile, found this very relevant (although dated) article from the Chronicle of Higher Education:</p>

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<p>And here is a fun one:</p>

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<p>My daughter used RMP when scheduling her dual enrolled courses this year and the reviews were pretty accurate. She has one professor this semester who is every bit as as lousy as the reviews said he was. Unfortunately, that was the only section she could fit in her schedule. A professor she had last semester had mixed reviews, some quite negative, but my daughter enjoyed her class a lot and rated her highly. Another from last semester had excellent reviews and was indeed an excellent teacher. Her class was a social science course and very writing intensive, so she was not reviewed as an easy grader, probably because most kids were not looking for that much work. But my daughter enjoyed her lectures and discussions.</p>

<p>I think anyone reading the reviews has to take them for what they are, mostly rantings by disgruntled students. But if many students are having similarly bad experiences, it behooves potential students to take notice.</p>

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This doesn’t make sense to me. If Group One loved their professor and got B- on the average, and Group Two disliked their professor and got B+ on the average, then Group Two had the better ultimate outcome. By your argument that Professor Two was worse than Professor One, it follows that having a worse professor is actually the more desirable condition.</p>

<p>Is that really what you want to say?</p>

<p>No, I’m saying that your correlating testing results to quality of professor is off base.</p>

<p>If students are taught by someone who is so terrible that it forces the students to use outside resources to learn (study groups, tutoring, etc.) – those students may actually end up learning better because of all the extra effort they have had to put in – but that doesn’t mean that it is better overall for students to have bad professors. To start with, the reported statistics may be missing a significant number of students who either dropped the course early on or switched to a different class. In a math course it is particularly likely that students who feel confident or easily grasp new concepts are going to be less concerned with quality of instruction (and less likely to drop the class) - than students who need a lot of support.</p>

<p>Do you have before/after stats on each group of students? That is, do you have a comparison as to how they tested out on mathematical concepts before enrolling in the class? If not, then how can you draw any conclusion whatsoever by only look at post-course outcomes.</p>

<p>As someone who teaches graduate level research methods, and critical thinking, I should know better. Unless I find the study with the methodology spelled out, there is zero value in debating the imagined methodology. Apologies… I’m having trouble finding it, but honestly…fwiw, I instinctively read method and would not have mentioned it if it was obviously flawed as suggested. I realize that asks for some degree of trust, but so be it.</p>

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Do you believe that if a class has a wunderbar professor that no one will have to struggle, use study groups or tutors, or put in extra effort? Is that what a great professor does? Because in that case I have never had a professor who was even worth a dishrag, and I have nearly 300 credits, mostly in math, engineering, and physics. Either that or I am a moron with a BSCE, MA/mathematics, and PhD/physics. </p>

<p>It is a common problem that freshmen especially seem to think that the professor should be able to just open their heads and insert the knowledge in 2.5 hours/week. To me this is just as dumb as thinking that you can learn to play Chopin by watching the piano teacher do it once or twice and then you can do it perfectly. Kind of rare for the common individual, as it were.</p>

<p>My son is only a freshman, but his two professors who had many “avoid at all costs!”, “stay away!'” reviews were the two classes he learned the most in (but not his best grades.)</p>

<p>The issue is the anonymity does allow disgruntled students to post repeatedly, throwing off results. Not all kids or adults can read carefully to detect the writing stucture and word patterns which suggest that several posts are suspiciously similar in style and possibly by the same unhappy student. We had this issue. I am NOT saying two complaints are necessarily from the same person. Am saying that style can be detected only by the most discerning. </p>

<p>Where we had this issue, there were four posts suggesting a prof was mentally unbalanced- similar opening statements, several same phrases where only a word was changed, etc. That’s an obvious example. It was taken seriously by RMP, which offered support. We also suspect a prof of creating some of his own stellar ratings.</p>

<p>The two schools I am involved with consider RMP useless as any sort of “master tool”. It is merely comments by those individuals motivated to post there. In contrast, each dept does review the mandatory in-class evals. My husband has served on tenure and re-hire committees over a long time and student evals are just one teeny part of decisions. More important are peer reviews and professional activity.</p>

<p>Having said that…
The issue with “calculus is always calculus” is NOT the content or subject matter. It is how the material is covered, how tests are created and graded, whether or not student questions in class are answered or dismissed, etc. While 2+2 always equals 4, the kids are not always tested fairly. Eg, in selecting and applying a complex formula for a test question, one prof may grade that question a zero if there are ANY calculation errors. Another might just take off a point for that simple error and credit the fact that the student applied the right formula and followed it through. One humanities prof may mark down because each question is not answered with three examples, while another focuses on the strength of the student’s argument and reasoning skills. Sometimes, intro classes are taught on a level more appropriate to junior/senior majors.<br>
I do think that, in this sort of feedback- if one can carefully read the RMP comments, read with a jaundiced eye, so to speak- that that’s where the RMP value is for students selecting classes.</p>

<p>ps last I looked RMP allowed prof’s to video their responses- and some are hysterical.</p>