<p>Male from NJ, Competitive Public HS
GPA: 4.1 W, 3.8 UW
Rank: School doesn't rank, but probably top 10%ish
SAT: 2190 (730 M, 690 CR, 770 W)
Reasonably difficult courseload, 5 AP's by graduation</p>
<p>EC's:
Cross Country: 11,12
Winter Track: 11,12
Spring Track: 10,11,12
Latin Club: 12
Italian Club: 10
Young Republicans: 12
Volunteer at Children's Hospital: Summer '06, 65 hours
Piano: 9,10,11,12
Tutoring: 12
Christian Awareness Club: 10</p>
<p>Other:
National Honor Society
Some Distinguished Scholar Award for students at our HS
Who's Who, National Society of High School Scholars, etc.
Fairly decent artist, submitted a portfolio
Good essays and reccomendations</p>
<p>I personally think you have a good shot. If anything worries me it is that you have a "pretty difficult course load" and not the hardest one available, but I think your stats are strong enough to overcome that.</p>
<p>I don see any "hooks" such as legacy, minority, athletics, etc. That might present a problem for you (and my daughter). I have read some statements that to be admitted to Notre Dame without any "hooks" you need upper 1400 SAT's. That does not seem to fit with other statistics I read (for example, the upper range of the middle 50% of enrolled students is 1470. That would mean that 75% of the enrolled students are "hooked." I find it hard to believe that that many applicants are "hooked.") Does anybody have any reliable statistics about the averages required of "non-hooked" applicants?</p>
<p>I do, but trust me, you don't want to know them at this point. You can PM me if you really want to know, but I have promised some people on here not to post them during the admissions cycle.</p>
<p>Long story short, ND looks at the whole applicant, and SATs are just one part of that. They do more than give that lipservice, that is how they actually are. Also, an essay can literally make or break you here whereas it can't at a lot of other schools. Therefore, my advice is do as well as you can across the board and hope that if one part is weak another part will help pick you up some. Not everyone can be perfect at everything, the most important thing is trying your best.</p>
<p>do, but trust me, you don't want to know them at this point. You can PM me if you really want to know, but I have promised some people on here not to post them during the admissions cycle.</p>
<p>thanks for that.... i dont think i need another let down.... personally I think ND puts too much weight into the sats... no one under a 1400 has gotten into ND from my highschool ( ignoring athletes).... so on my naviance graph its basically a straight line by the 1400 mark... anyone before has been rejected.... so thats my stance</p>
<p>There are many other factors to consider such as hooks, GPA, EC's, essay, etc. 1400 is probably low for a "non-hooked" student, but I suspect, if you are strong elsewhere, it would not eliminate you (unless, of course, this year's applicant pool is a lot stronger than last year's).</p>
<p>Over the past several years my daughter's school has had one person admitted with an 1170 score, several others admitted with a 1300-1400 score, but most admitted students have had above 1400. Only one person below a 4.0 GPA (weighted) has been admitted and he had about a 1350 SAT. The median accepted SAT was 1400 and the median accepted ACT was 31. The median accepted GPA was 4.228 (weighted). Only one person below a 4.0 GPA was accepted. (The median denied SAT was 1285 and the median denied GPA was 3.887.) I have no information regarding legacy or other hooks.</p>
<p>A few more observations about the students who applied to ND from my daughter's high school (according to a chart of 67 applicants over the past several years):</p>
<p>Only 1 student with greater than or equal to 27 ACT and 4.0 GPA (weighted) was denied admission, while 11 were admitted; and,</p>
<p>Only 1 student with greater than 1300 SAT and 4.0 GPA (weighted) was denied admission, while approx. 20 were admitted.</p>
<p>It truly is a combination of factors. Students with higher test scores and lower GPAs were denied. To a lesser extent, students with higher GPAs and lower test scores were denied. (ND seems to be a little more forgiving on test scores than on GPAs.) I don't see much evidence in this chart that qualified students are being denied admission. Rather, I see the possibility of a few less qualified students being admitted, apparently for reasons other than test scores and GPAs. But, we are also dealing with a changing landscape as the quality of the applicants has been rising each year. So, what I see reflected in this chart may not be reflected in this year's admission practices.</p>