I also think there will be an unintended result. My homepage on my computer is the cc parent forum. While my main activity is in the 2014 thread, when I open the page currently,I see other threads and often at least read them. I know it’s only a few more clicks to get to other forums from here but nothing else is even on the new form page to make me want to.
First, I liked being “awesome” because well, our group collectively and with some individual inspiration created that name when our hs2011 group started to move beyond HS issues. We did it to start fresh and invite those lurkers and new people to engage more. It was a conscious decision. Uniformity is fine when it’s needed for IRS tax filing, or passports or maybe the DMV, but I just don’t see really what is gained here? And exactly who has a problem with the parent’s forum being “clogged” with parent groups centered around class yrs? Seems logical and not a problem to be cleared and properly set aside in a subgroup. I know there was one post by a user from early cc years who thought it was stupid ramblings by parents about minutia like what to pack Johney and how many balloons to order for the graduation party. Is this a response to that one person? I mean, really forums evolve to serve current users and forums from 2005 are not going to resemble forums from 2013. It’s like wanting telex newsfeeds to reemerge because I liked the sound when they came across the telex machine. Really? I do have an old typewriter to sell…
Anyway, do what you want. And yes, we cranky whiney parents have nothing better to do than complain about change with what is basically a free playground for us to ask about balloon quantities, and what duct tape can do for a college student. We will get over it and adapt to whatever happens. I just like change to have some logic besides satisfying one old user. And I really liked thinking for one second everyday when I clicked on the thread - that I WAS awesome. Made my day.
And without the clogging of parent groups, what topics will be left on the parent forum? General higher education stuff? News articles?
Maybe I missed it, but what prompted the change? Did other posters complain about the “Class of” threads in the parent forum?
As with any change, something is gained, and something is lost. The only gain I can see is that the mods neatened up the look of the parents forum. The loss is the sense we parents shared in “I made that thread – I belong to it”. Now it seems sort of bland and corporate. It’s distancing.
While the College Parents of 2014 can certainly appreciate Swan Lake, we are really more of a The Rite of Spring kind of group. Please add back the and Beyond as it both more appropriately reflects the personality of the group and the expectations for the groups offspring. If it would make you feel better, you can wait to make the change on May 29, 2013 from the Théâtre des Champs-Élysées and we promise to only post in French or Russian that day.
Sincerely,
I. Stravinsky, P-2014 (and beyond)
I also like the “beyond” in our title. Whenever someone adds a new topic they are not limited to a certain title and I don’t believe our group should be limited either.
“CC the community” exists only to the extent that it doesn’t interfere with “CC the business.” We’re apparently considered “low-value customers” and have been relegated to a back room (new hierarchy) with cheap, uncomfortable furniture (generic thread names) so that when the hip trendy crowd they’re trying to attract walks through the door, we won’t be the first thing they see, causing them to decide they’re in the wrong place.
I wonder what matters more when you’re trying to sell ad space – the number of times an existing poster posts, or the number of new posters who sign up each day?
I totally get the new hierarchy. I don’t have any complaint about that. But I don’t see how the non-uniform names hurts the forum in any way, and I’d really like to have them back. It’s quite a pain finding my threads now.
I find this like the random Facebook changes that happen whether the Facebook users like them/want them or not. I am on CC almost every day. I refer people who never heard of CC to the website. I encourage parents/student to join in and contribute. And I am hardly alone in doing all of those things. We are a constiuency of CC and I hope those “in charge” will listen to those who make this site possible (no posters = no site = no advertising revenue) and keep the names of the groups as WE created them.
I actually fail to comprehend such a heavy-handed approach to thread titling, and I actually understand the phenomenon of forums – and the democratic spirit that is supposed to underpin them.
This site is only as free as the advertisers make it. However, without an actual community, which is within moderated RULES, free to title a thread or converse any way it wishes, said advertisers would be “winking in the dark.”
So I think it’s a bit of a slippery slope to start editing titles. I think CC needs to be mindful of where it came from – the people
first of all I will say that I like having the class threads in the new sub forum.
that said, I agree with many others here and wish the original namres had been kept.
I agree with what’s been said and I don’t really understand why this was necessary, but as far as finding your threads, don’t the ones you post in have a red star on them? That’s how I find my threads. I guess that doesn’t help someone who posts in all the threads, but since I only post in two of these, the finding part doesn’t bother me. That’s a separate issue from the relative merits of uniform thread names, though.
We have been reading your comments, and will take this opportunity to clear a few misconceptions and explain some of our limitations in organizing the forum.
First and foremost, one of the main activities of the moderators is to move threads to their appropriate sections and edit the titles that reflects the contents of the posts. Despite not always being visible to the naked eye, we cannot stress enough how often such actions are needed. We also consider that such edits and reorganization are largely responsible for the success of our forums as this type of organization is essential in a dynamic forum of linear conversations.
As far as organizing the threads by dates, the basic tenet of CC is that the most recent and most active threads remain on top of the forum. While we can stick a thread. the order of the stickied threads will remain subject to the last activity. This feature is also natural as older and inactive threads will slowly move to the bottom of the pages.
Further, when organizing a new forum, as was stated previously. we look at the current participation as well as the future participation. When regrouped in the new forum, we viewed the listing of threads listed below to be confusing. For instance, Parents of the Class of 2017 could be either a HS or a college class. We still believe that it will be easier for someone to quickly find the relevant annual thread by scanning the dates when placed in a consistent location.
This reorganization is not finished yet. There are threads that could be added or merged, and some present specific challenges, especially when extremely large. On such example was in the form of the original HS 2010 thread.
Our main objective is to create easily identifiable and well defined threads. We understand the request to add the term “beyond” to a particular year, but that addition creates ambiguity in the new general organization. Accordingly, we will not revert to the previous titles, and will not add the term “beyond.” One solution that will be explored is to remove the College Class year and focus on the HS graduation.
Lastly, we hope that the creation of a new and dedicated forum for this type of thread is a positive move. We consider this move as an attempt to showcasing such threads as opposed to relegating them in the depths of our general community. This community now appears directly and prominently on the first page of the forums. and is just one click away. We firmly believe that the specific threads will be easier to locate in a separate forum than in the general Parents’ forum.
Thank you.
I don’t think it created ambiguity at all. It just doesn’t follow the new “system” that the admins decided they wanted. And my goodness, one must have order, musn’t one?
I had vowed not to post on this thread, but I must admit I’m shocked enough by the high-handed tone of the recent post by the “powers that be” to chime in.
First of all, while I think there may be good reasons to have moved all these threads to a new forum, I disagree that one of them is making such threads easier to find and think that’s a smokescreen (for what, I’m not sure). Those of us who are familiar with these threads know where to look, if we’ve paid attention on a more or less daily basis, or will know how to search for them and find them. But I don’t think a new parent entering the forum for the first time is going to recognize “Class of 20xx Community” as a forum where they might find just what they seek. The forum title is “code” that only those familiar with what’s there can identify; it does not “showcase” them.
That said, changing the titles of the threads themselves just seems wrong to me, and antithetical to the type of community I thought CC sought to be. Threads generally keep the names assigned to them unless they are truly misleading. And perhaps most important, the “ambiguity” associated with “and beyond” is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. It is intended to recognize, as others have said, that lives aren’t linear, and to be welcoming to those who don’t fit the “straight through in four years” model.
Finally, I have the sense the the moderators chose something that they thought made sense, and having heard that it didn’t make as much sense to others as they thought it might, have decided to “dig in”. Chastising the forum members by stating that change is hard and is frequently met with resistance is a childish response to legitimate concerns by long term members.
Oh, just let them keep the “beyond” in their name. It is cute and has meaning to them. I am not on that thread and never even thought about it. But they obviously did! It actually makes a lot of sense.
Not everybody craves a uniform world.
About this time last year, under what might be termed “related circumstances,” a group from the High School Class of 2012/College Class of 2016 formed a private Facebook group. I regret not accepting the invitation.
Wow, talk about throwing a dash of cold water! We weren’t arguing about shifting the threads to a new sub-forum - no one objects to that. We simply requested that the original thread names be reinstated.
So changing the name to some generic “Class of 20XX” makes a thread “easily identifiable & well-defined” HOW??? I actually find it harder to pick out a specific thread because they now all look alike.
I agree with those who say that it is more difficult to quickly find "my " thread right now.
Also, creating a sub forum for specific classes makes me check the “main” Parent Forum less frequently. Before, I would quickly scan the topics while heading off to “my” thread, now I won’t even bother visiting the main forum.
I don’t understand. Could someone please explain how this language creates ambiguity? I’m not trying to be argumentative - I’m thoroughly confused.