<p>How much influence would a coach who is recruiting you actually have on admissions?
If someone's a long shot and a coach really wants them, are they likely to get in?</p>
<p>depends how much of an academic long shot one is, it depends on how much the coach wants you (are you his #1 recruit) and it depends on which sport you play (is it a revenue producing sport- i don't know if there is such a thing at dartmouth).</p>
<p>i think that even if they really, really want you--you still have to be in one of the ai bands.</p>
<p>what sport?</p>
<p>crew.
I'm not a super long shot, but my gpa is definitely a little low (3.6).</p>
<p>i think the ai is a combination of gpa and test scores and class rank. . however, talk to the coach--i think there is a recruiting form you can fill out on line at dartmouth.edu.</p>
<p>good luck</p>
<p>
[quote]
Some speculate that athletes -- particularly those for big sports -- are given the highest preference of all. This does not appear to be the case at Dartmouth, although athletes do benefit from having a lobbyist in their coach. Coaches submit ranked lists of their recruited athletes to the admissions office. The admissions office then reviews the applications, taking into account the applicant's athletic talent and coach's recommendation.</p>
<p>"Athletic talent works in the same way other kinds of talent do. The only difference is it's a much more organized and structured recruiting process and that's a function of the NCAA and the Ivy League rules," Furstenberg said. "They tell us who they want, but there are no guaranteed number of slots."</p>
<p>But even with the ability to submit a list, some coaches expressed frustration with how little say they really have.</p>
<p>"How much clout do I have? Minimal," men's swimming coach Jim Wilson said. "If you look at my SAT scores and compare to the average SAT scores, my kids may be getting in with a 1450 instead of a 1460."</p>
<p>Wilson did, however, speculate that some of the "higher-profile sports like football may be getting a little more help."</p>
<p>Coaches are given little feedback from the admissions office before submitting their lists, according to Wilson. "I'm shooting blind," he said, adding that other schools, even in the Ivy League, are actually more lenient with athletic admissions.</p>
<p>"Some schools will say 'if he has this GPA and this SAT score were going to let him in.' Our admissions doesn't do that," Wilson said.</p>
<p>Michele Hernandez '89, who worked in the Dartmouth admissions office in the mid-1990s and is currently a private college counselor, concurred.</p>
<p>"Dartmouth actually has higher standards for athletes than most schools," she said. "Many athletes that are walking straight into Harvard couldn't get into Dartmouth."</p>
<p>While athletic talent can bolster an application, it does not replace other criteria for admission, according to Furstenberg. If coaches do not find well qualified applicants to put on their list, they risk not getting enough players that year.</p>
<p>"If the coaches say we need nine soccer players this year, but we only think six of them are qualified, that's what they get," he said. "All of the decisions are made here; the only person at the institution who can admit someone is me."
[/quote]
</p>
<p>A 3.6 really isn't terrible, although it does depend on your class rank. I have definitely met several athletes here who got a pretty big push. Crew is fairly high profile too, so I would say as long as your SAT isn't horrible too, if the coach wants you, you're in.</p>
<p>i am posting this link to provide you with some background on the academic index. i didn't look for the specifics for crew, but recruited athletes must fall into one of the ai bands. even if the coach really wants you, your ai must meet their requirements.</p>
<p>The athletic admissions process in the Ivy League is governed by a wide range of policies and regulations. The central feature in this regulation is the academic index (AI). This is a measure consisting of three parts using the high school rank or GPA, combined with the highest SAT I scores, combined with the three highest SAT II scores. All Ivy schools are obligated to use the exact same methodology in calculating AIs. In admitting students who are recruited as athletes in one of the 33 "Ivy championship" sports, each school has numerical limits (depending on the number of sports it offers), and an AI goal that is a function of the mean AI for its entire student body (i.e., four classes). The AI goal is one standard deviation from this mean. Most Ivy schools have very similar AI targets. Because the eight Ivy student bodies have slightly different profiles, their AI targets are very similar but not identical. In addition, there is a minimum AI, or floor, below which schools cannot admit an athlete without special dispensation from the League.
Football is the most closely monitored sport in the Ivy League. Given the range of competitive pressures surrounding football, it is monitored through a more detailed system of AI bands, or ranges, with very specific numerical limits on the number of football recruits that may be enrolled in each AI band. There are four bands corresponding to: class mean AI -1 S.D., 1 S.D.-2 S.D., 2 S.D. -2.5 S.D., and 2.5 S.D. - the Ivy AI floor. An average 30 football recruits may be enrolled each year distributed 8, 13, 7, 2 across the four bands top to bottom. No more than 120 recruited players may be enrolled over four years. Every Ivy school is obligated by the same system. This is an attempt to create a "level playing field"in terms of admissions standards.</p>
<p>Thanks, that's helpful.</p>
<p>Furstenberg is anti-athletics. He did the same thing at Wesleyan before moving on to Dartmouth. He should consider U of Chicago or Columbia where
student athletes have never figured into the equation.</p>
<p>Thanks for your opinion.</p>