<p>I live in Utah and was wondering if anyone here has heard anything out of Region 4 about appointments. Anyone know of any kids from Utah who are applying? Or even people from those obscure, land-locked states fighting for admission and wanting to vent your feelings...this is the place for you!</p>
<p>Hey There Utah-represent-</p>
<p>There are candidates hearing decisions out of Region 4. Utah specific, that I do not know. I'm sorry I can't be of more help.</p>
<p>Patience are hard to come by when you're waiting, hang in there. All good things in life are worth waiting for.</p>
<p>Oh I know. This is such a stressful process!!! My family received a phone call from 'District of Columbia' yesterday, but no one was home to answer. That put my mom in panic mode...</p>
<p>yes and no--
the CIS has me listed as under Region 4--but i'm on the east coast, Region 2. My Regional director that i've been talking with [not the one listed on my CIS] was working with candidates from both Regions 2 and 4. Not sure if that answers your question--but i've received an appointment..
On the other hand...i do have a friend in Utah that hasn't heard yet...</p>
<p>Good Luck! hope to see you in June!</p>
<p>I think your friend and I are the same person... Do you have a twin brother? And does your last name start with an 'L?' ... ha ha ha</p>
<p>haha i had a hunch it was you! haha...i mean, dont get me wrong..i know lots of people from Utah! haha...you've got like 2 noms..i really wouldn't worry AT ALL if i was you!! haha..i'll see you in June Jake!! seriously!</p>
<p>Yeah, but you never can be too careful. This is the problem with applying from Utah... there are 3 Representatives and 2 Senators. That is at least 50 nominations at stake; not including ROTC, Presidential/Vice-Presidential, ect... However, I was informed by my Representative that they never fill all 10 slots they have to offer. So we will say around 40 noms just to be on the safe side. Last year there were 4 people from Utah who went to the Naval Academy (3 of them coming from the same school...). That means that around 1 in 10 people who are nominated from Utah will actually get an appointment. Even if I did get 2 nominations to the Naval Academy, my odds improve to 2 in 10, or around 20%. That sucks. BUT... there is no way of knowing how many of the 40-ish nominations from Utah are going to 3Q candidates. </p>
<p>If we apply nationwide statistics (Class of 2010 Profile) to this rough equation it turns out something like this...</p>
<p>1,888 3Q candidates who have a nomination
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<h2>3,751 applicants who get a nomination</h2>
<p>50.3% of the people who get nominations get appointments. </p>
<p>When you compare that to Utah with 40-ish nominations, you should end up with 20 appointments. </p>
<p>4 (people who got appointments for Class of '10 from Utah)
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<h2>20 (nationwide statistic of people who should* get appointed from Utah)</h2>
<p>20% (1/5=20%...) Utah is in the bottom 20th percentile of getting candidates with 1 nomination into the academy.</p>
<p>Do you see why things are so much harder if you are from an obscure, land-locked state with no naval base within 500 miles?</p>
<p>I think I did all of that math correct...</p>
<p>Utah - there are a few 'math' threads from December/January and I think that everyone agreed that almost 75% of 3q's with a nom get an appointment, but each individual (even those not from Utah) only has about a 20% chance. Unless you make it to the national pool, which at that point your chances are related to how many appointments are left and how many in the pool which historically seems to be no greater than a 50% chance.</p>
<p>i def think you're over analyzing that...you may be right on the numbers, but it's competitive for everyone across the country! you can't really do anything at this point anyways except sit tight and wait (easier said than done, i know)</p>
<p>have faith!! keep a positive outlook!!</p>
<p>Way way too much over analyzing. Actually, the smaller the state, the better the chances. Have you never had the electorial college argument in Government class that it favors the smaller states? Same thing with appointments. Since Congressmen are based on population, the Senatorial nominations, in effect, reduce the population base per appointment. The smaller the state, the greater the reduction. Once past the MOC appointments and into the national pool, acceptance is based almost exclusively on scholastic achievement. Extensive "googling" this AM has resulted in absolutely no evidence that salt air is conducive to increased scholastic achievement.</p>
<p>Maybe not, but it's been speculated that transplants from Schnectedy were smoking something strange.</p>
<p>Nothing in the mail today..........and isn't over-analyzing an appropriate coping mechanism?</p>
<p>So then we are all coping quite well...</p>
<p>To USNA69 - you prompted a question with your comment "Once past the MOC appointments and into the national pool, acceptance is based almost exclusively on scholastic achievement."</p>
<p>I thought in other threads it was stated you are ranked by your whole person score? Could you clarify?</p>
<p>"Scholastically Qualified" is the term the Board uses for those who successfully complete the Board. It is based on all the factors of the Whole Person Concept, not just academic success. Except for maybe a few points for outstanding CFA scores, the terms, for all practical purposes, are identical.</p>
<p>Utah ... perhaps but it decreases your whole-person raw score because it won't give you any answers. USNA may be watching ... :eek:</p>
<p>69er is the trustworthy expert here. And as he's revealed, once a candidate goes into the national pool, it matters not if home is in Podunk, Maine or Podunk, Utah. So Utah may have 4 last year and 40 this year. The top scholastically qualified, whole-person scorers get the appointments regardless of home state, if we understand correctly.</p>
<p>Utah-represent-</p>
<p>No, over-analyzing made me stay away from cc for a while (ask your mom). Going to the gym, gentle harassment of siblings, watching Mythbusters helped the boy. Not much, but at least he was away from me while he pondered.</p>
<p>jerseynbg,
"Scholastic Achievement" was probably a poor choice of words on my part and can lead to confusion. When a candidate goes before the Board, his entire package is considered in order to arrive at the "Scholastically Qualified" level. The Board may add or subtract whole person points depending on their findings. It is these whole person points combined with the SQ designation which is the sole determinent for national pool selection.</p>
<p>I did not know we were all put into a national pool. That clears up a lot of my questions, thank you. 69-are you an academy alumni?</p>