<p>Hey guys, I got rejected at Chapel Hill on Friday... which was a bit of a shock considering I thought I had a good chance. I posted my stuff on the UNC board but here it is... </p>
<p>Decision: DENIED</p>
<p>Stats:</p>
<pre><code>* SAT Verbal: 790
* SAT Math: 790
* SAT Writing: 730
* SAT Total: 2310
* SAT II: 780 US History, 720 Math II, 690 Chem
* ACT: 35
* AP/IB taken/scores: 5 on US History, will take BC Calc, Chem, and Psych this year... however my school offers 10 AP's total and places limits on when you can take them/how many (impossible to take more than 6... and no one does). I have one of the hardest class schedules available
* GPA weighted: 4.64
* GPA unweighted: 4.00
* Rank or % estimate: top 5% (doesn't rank further than that)
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<p>Subjective:</p>
<pre><code>* Essays: 1 about experience running cross country (decent), other about trip to Kenya and desire to be doctor... very good
* Teacher Recs: didn't see it, but should have been very good
* Counselor Rec: again didn't see it, but should have been great
* Hook (if any): Iranian, true interest in medicine, volunteering in Kenya, National Merit Finalist
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<p>Location/Person:</p>
<pre><code>* State or Country: MA
* School Type: Public
* Ethnicity: Iranian (but considered caucasian)
* Gender: female
* Legacy Yes/No: No
* Recruited Yes/No: No
* Important ECs: dancer for over 14 years, dance teacher, lots of volunteerism, lots of academic awards
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<p>Other Factors:</p>
<p>General Comments/Congratulations/etc: Honestly, I was expecting to get in (since they supposedly so value high SAT scores/GPAs). I might call and see if they give me an explanation. Kind of freaks me out because I still have many better schools to hear from. My counselor thought it might have been that I didn't show a ton of interest in the school and applied late in the second round of admissions... I visited but I wasn't in love with the school. Congrats to everyone who got in!</p>
<p>Any thoughts on this? I haven't contacted them yet but I doubt they will give me a good answer anyway. I visited UVA last spring and loved the school so I hope this isn't a sign of things to come (given that UVA is considered a "better" school than UNC... although I hate USNWR rankings).</p>
<p>gosh…i have no idea. I was rejected at UNC chapel hill too, but i really feel like (considering you are in-state) that your chances at UVa are much better than at UNC chapel hill since Chapel Hill is a public school in NC where over 80% of students accepted reiside in North Carolina.</p>
<p>and same goes for UVA. Over 75% are In-state applicants so your chances of getting accepted are waaaay higher at UVA than at Chapel Hill cause going to Chapel Hill from out of state is like a 20% chance. </p>
<p>Roughly the same acceptance percentage as though you were appplying to Dartmouth College.</p>
<p>She has MA listed as her residence. Massachusetts…So she’s OOS…?</p>
<p>We live in DC. My sister graduated from UVA a hundred years ago and she had excellent stats. We both attended a private college prep school and our school sent many girls to UVA. But most of those lived in McLean and other parts of NOVA. UVA is very difficult to get into OOS. Your stats are quite good but I note at my son’s school (private DC) lots of OOS rejections to UNC/UMich/UVA and the children go on to get into many competitive private Univs and LACs. Where else did you apply?</p>
<p>Thanks for the responses everyone! And I am OOS…</p>
<p>I applied early to Georgetown and was deferred… which kind of sent me into a panic so I ended up adding a lot of schools in late December… I did UVA, Northwestern, Duke, (my three that I would have applied to even if I had gotten into Georgetown early), Vanderbilt, Emory, Princeton (no chance, I know), Amherst, Chapel Hill, Mount Holyoke, Smith, and my safeties were UMass Amherst, URichmond, and George Washington. I know… probably too many but I was really freaked out… UVA, Northwestern, and Georgetown are my top three (I refuse to let myself consider Princeton an option). </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for the replies, I’ve heard from many people that OOS rejected at UNC go on to top privates and even ivies… I hope I am that lucky!</p>
<p>I don’t think there’s any point in drawing conclusions about our process based on the results of another. People try to do it with UVa and W&M all the time. </p>
<p>I don’t think any OOS student can apply to a school with a state mandated residency percentage and feel certain of the outcome because of the large size of the OOS pool and the residency ratio they must maintain.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the State of North Carolina allows UNC to count full scholarship students, including athletes, as in state students, so their OOS percentage is probably a little higher than the one published.</p>
<p>Big G, actually, there are schools that are looking to take more OOS students these days because their bring in more tuition money. At schools where the IS:OOS ratio is mandated by the government, that would mean the entire class would have to grow to keep the ratio intact. The decision to grow wouldn’t be coming out of the admission office…it would come from higher up because that sort of move impacts class size, housing, etc.</p>
<p>My personal opinion is that public schools don’t play the yield protection game (“Tufts Syndrome”). We don’t track interest, which is how many schools assess whether you’ll say yes back to them.</p>
<p>slpxx16 - This is the 2nd time on this forum that I’ve seen stats that “objectively” should have been enough for a different result; but it is clear that these decisions are to a degree subjective, which is why the Dean Js have such an unenviable job.</p>
<p>Our son has a close friend, that is the oldest of 13 and was home schooled. I was able to get her tutors before it was too late and wrote her a letter of recommendation. Her stats don’t come close to yours, but she is now a freshman @ Georgetown.</p>
<p>Our waitress at dinner the evening after visiting UNC at Chapel Hill was a student there that had been rejected by UVa.</p>
<p>Our son would not be a National Merit Finalist if he was from MA, would trade SAT scores with you, and wanted no part of the US History AP test, and received a “likely” from UVa.</p>
<p>As a parent of a student that also worked very hard, I understand that you want that effort to be acknowledged, that your potential, which is so clearly outstanding, be recognized. You are going to have to choose from some very good schools, and I would wish you luck, except students like you don’t need it.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the responses and the honesty. I am going to have my counselor contact the admissions office at UNC (as many other rejects on the UNC forum did) and see what the school has to say, partly because I received so many PMs from concerned parents asking me to. I will post after my counselor updates me. For now I’m just hoping this Friday goes well!</p>
<p>to the OP- your stats are, to be honest, too high to have been rejected from UNC AND deferred from G-town (I know people so much worse who got in EA). is there some flaw on your application that you are not sharing? disciplinary history? lack of ECs? …I don’t see any, but there must be something.</p>
<p>No disciplinary history… I don’t have a ton of EC’s (like club things) but I ran cross country and did a community service group regularly for two years. Dance and dance teaching are my main passions/EC’s. So, it’s not stellar but I wouldn’t say lacking.</p>
<p>I was worried about some weird things in my recommendations or something I hadn’t seen, but I have gotten into UMass Amherst Honors College, Mount Holyoke w/ a scholarship, and BC Honors Program, so I don’t think that’s it. I guess sometimes there just aren’t explanations.</p>
<p>We are NC locals- and my son got Waitlisted Reg. Decision at UNC recently, but a lot of his highschool classmates were accepted on early decision ( or EA-whatever UNC calls it)…NOT regular decision-
we think there is a good chance he might be accepted at UNC eventually-- but he will not even bother if he is accepted at UVa-- Top choice ya know.</p>
<p>Yesterday he received his acceptance from Univ. of So Cal! He said, “that’s cool, but UVa is what I am waiting on.”</p>
<p>He thinks the UNC wailtist MIGHT mean UVa is a “no”, but from everything Dean J says, this is not true.
Best Wishes and Good Luck to all- you will excel no matter where you study- just think of how your horizons are about to expand.</p>