Rejections: Class of 2007

<p>Very important point, Michael. FSU's stuff said that it was for housing and was all but $50 refundable. Elon is for housing and all is refundable. It's confusing and does need to be read carefully! D knew several BU & Emerson students that were in hotels last fall. It sounds kind of cool at first, then you realize that transportation is a big problem and expense, not to mention that you need to connect and make friends and the pool is much bigger in the dorm!</p>

<p>I believe that Elon only has one deposit, which serves as the university admission deposit as well as the housing deposit and is fully refundable up until May 1.</p>

<p>I know people have been getting acceptances from Syracuse but have they started sending out rejections yet?</p>

<p>danimal, supposedly they are sending out both acceptances and rejections in "waves" according to the person answering the phone in the theatre department. I wish they'd just do it all ready! I think that they are calling their "A" list to try to get some feeling for how many of them will actually accept and how many have been accepted at places like CCM, U Mich, PSU etc. then they'll adjust and send out the next "wave." It's logical, just annoying.</p>

<p>Sarahsmom, do the Syracuse phone calls actually inquire as to where else students have been accepted?? I've never heard that before, and I'd be very surprised if they're doing that. From what I've heard over the years, this type of phone call is utilized as a way of 'selling' their program to students, and not as a way of finding out how many of them will accept an offer.</p>

<p>My daughter was not asked where else she was accepted but I don't know what everyone else was asked.</p>

<p>My D received a similar call from Baldwin-Wallace, and they asked her about other acceptances.</p>

<p>My daughter received a phone call from the head of the drama department at Syracuse last Friday. He congratulated her on her acceptance and told her they were pleased to be offering her a spot in their class for musical theater. He did not ask her anything at all--about where else she was accepted, if she planned on attending Syracuse or anything like that. It was stictly a congratulations call. She received an acceptance letter before the phone call (earlier in the day) since we live in Syracuse, and she mentioned that to him. He was surprised, yet very pleasant and again congratulated her on her acceptance. Her part of the conversation was mostly "thank you so much". It was not a long phone call.</p>

<p>When my D was called by Syracuse two years ago, she was never asked where else she was accepted (and in fact, several of her acceptances came AFTER that point), nor was she ever asked her intentions to attend Syracuse either. The purpose of such calls or "early notification" prior to the acceptance letter, is to generate interest in that school before one may hear from other schools and to also add that personal touch. In my opinion, it would not be appropriate to ask where else a student got in or their intentions to attend the given school. </p>

<p>I also do not believe that they are holding onto other applicants until they hear whether the current acceptees will enroll. They know that those accepted have until May 1 to reply. So, what will happen at a school like Syracuse is that all letters will go out (perhaps not all mailed at once unfortunately). They will accept MORE than they intend to enroll because not everyone accepted will take the offer and matriculate. They have built into their system an extra number to yield the number they truly hope to enroll. THEN, if AFTER May 1, they didn't yield the number they wish to take (their predictions, therefore, as to yield were a bit off), they will go to their waitlist. The waitlisted students, however, will have already gotten letters informing them of being on the waitlist. Waitlisted students, however, must enroll at another school by May 1 with a deposit. IF they get off the waitlist at a school they prefer, such as Syracuse, then they forfeit the deposit at the original school and can take the spot offered a Syracuse. But nobody right now on the pile at Syracuse is having their stuff on a "wait" pile to see if those who are accepted will attend. All the decisions will go out now before applicants reply to accept offers of admissions.</p>

<p>Soozievt - As you probably know, a lot of people have heard nothing from Syracuse yet, one way or the other. They say they are sending notifications out in "waves." Do you have any idea what these "waves" might be based on? I was thinking perhaps that it might be according to audition date, i.e., earlier auditionees received the first notices. Could it possibly be that acceptances were sent out before rejections/waitlists?</p>

<p>Seashells, I truly do not know with regard to Syracuse. If they say that the order of the waves of letters has nothing to do with the results (acceptances/denials), you gotta believe them. Frankly, I think schools (unless rolling admissions which Syracuse is not), should mail them all out on the same day. At ANOTHER university, which seems to mail out in "waves", my observation for THAT school is that the acceptances arrived first and the denials in the next wave, even though that school also would deny that. That does NOT mean that is the case at all at Syracuse. I have no clue and would have to observe the results of those who heard in the first wave and those who heard in the next wave of mailings. At this other school, it really appeared that acceptances were in the first wave. But what one school does has NO (!!) bearing on what another does, please realize that. I much prefer to see what my older D's schools (not BFA schools) did and they all notified everyone on the SAME day (sometimes even online at a specific hour on the clock!). These couple of schools that mail in waves (again, not including rolling admit schools) ratchet up the anxiety and have people guessing what it all means!</p>

<p>I'll share one story of a client of mine. She applied ED to a BFA school. Others had received their letters (all acceptances) for about two days at one point and she had not and frankly, my observations at this particular school (over a couple of years) are that acceptances are mailed out first but I wasn't going to say that to her but it wasn't looking so good. However, because she was so savvy and also knew a lot of people who applied to this particular BFA program, SHE was already aware of the trend at that particular school to send out acceptances first. So, she told ME she didn't think she was going to get in and had resigned herself of that because everyone else she knew who already was notified was accepted and her letter had not come. Lo and behold a couple days later she was admitted and so I think in that case, it was just the mail system (truly all accepted students at that school still seemed to hear days before the rejected students heard). So, she had moved on in her mind (already had mailed in 12 other applications before hearing from the ED school) and then the acceptance came from her first choice and she was thrilled beyond belief and it was like a roller coaster ride of emotions! So, it ain't over until the letter comes!</p>

<p>You comment re the mail is sooo on target! And that added uncertainty makes the waiting worse. While rare, given the volumes handled, there are problems with any delivery mechanism accept phone calls. emails can be caught in spam blockers; while unusual, UPS and Fedex trucks have been known to be involved inaccidents that damaged/destroyed/delayed contents; and then there's the mail...just yesterday S received a wedding reception notice that was crumpled to the extent that it had obviously been caught in a machine but not ripped to the degree of needing to arrive in a baggy.</p>

<p>All this to say that notification delays are rare but they happen. I don't think you have anything to lose by contacting a school if the delay becomes unbearable. But once they's told you what's going on you really just have to take that and roll with it.</p>

<p>make that "Your" instead of "You" and "except" rather than "accept". typing problems this AM</p>

<p>"Waitlisted students, however, must enroll at another school by May 1 with a deposit. IF they get off the waitlist at a school they prefer, such as Syracuse, then they forfeit the deposit at the original school and can take the spot offered a Syracuse."
Soozievt? I have question I have been waiting to ask...Given that the MT community is so small etc...do schools/people at schools get upset (and/or vindictive down the road??) if you put down a deposit to accept your top school's acceptance by 5/1 but then change your mind and go to another school if you get taken off their waiting list? Or is this part of the understood/acceptable practice?</p>

<p>Schools understand that there are waitlists. You are following the rules by putting down a deposit by May 1. Choosing to accept an offer off of a waitlist after May 1 is NORMAL. What is crucial at that point is to immediately notify the school in which you have the deposit that you wil not be attending as you got off the waitlist at a preferred school. What is NOT OK, I repeat, NOT OK, is to put down more than one deposit to save a spot at more than one school. This is unethical and would upset a school. It is not right. But everyone MUST put down a deposit at a school by May 1 and so you can't hold out for hopes on a waitlist coming through at that point. You must choose a school from amongst your acceptances and enroll via deposit. In fact, psychologically as that point, you need to get excited about that school and plan on attending and not put hopes into the waitlist. Maintain your name on the waitlist if you still prefer that school but do not count on it. Let the waitlist school know of your continued interest in attending and send any updates of new activities and accomplishments. </p>

<p>I really don't know what you mean about a school getting upset or vindictive if you accept an offer off of a waitlist that comes through after May 1. There is no vindictiveness that I can even imagine that could happen. Also, there is no just cause. Schools KNOW that people can be on a waitlist and that it is normal if offers are made off of a waitlist, then a student has to back out of the intent to enroll at the original school. Then, THAT school can make an offer to someone on THEIR waitlist in early summer. That is how it all works. This is all the understood practice. It is all by the rules. Play by the rules and you are fine. Try to circumvent the rules, you are playing with fire and also not being fair to others.</p>

<p>I have wanted to know, so I am going to ask: Why do they ask on the application "where else you have applied"....does this factor in on their decision? Why do they need that information - the decision should rest on your application (scores, extra-curricular activities, etc.) and your audition. We were baffled by the question and it's relevance</p>

<p>thank you! I did not know that this was what schools expected and I was really really uncomfortable with the idea of saying "yes" and then "backing out"...but it helps a lot to know that this is accepted practice. Thank you for taking a huge weight off my mind!</p>

<p>First of all let me clarify what I said about schools possibly using phone calls as a way to get a feel for who might accept or not. This is only speculation based upon the information that SU is sending out acceptance and rejections " in waves." (I was told this too.) I was thinking that if I were the one in charge and I knew that many of the kids at the top of the list were probably being offered positions at mulitiple schools, I might want to hear their reaction to the news that they've been accepted. I'm not saying that they pressured anyone or even asked if they'd be accepted to any other schools, but some kids might naturally react differently according to their present situation. If some of the kids DID already know and DID offer up the information, it might allow the program head to send out another acceptance or remove someone from the waitlist. I'm certain that no malace is intended. </p>

<p>LesMis, If I only knew then what I know now! </p>

<p>K</p>

<p>Sarahsmom, I doubt many students who receive a phone call about admissions are ready to commit on the spot, because they were not expecting the call and many would want to have all their cards on the table before making a final decision as to where to attend. It is not like ED where one has a clear first choice and a commitment to attend if accepted. Many have favorites and some may have a first choice but it is not like they committed when applying, like needed in the ED round. In fact, Syracuse HAS an ED round and so those who were positive they'd go to Syracuse no matter who else accepted them, may have opted to apply ED in the first place.</p>

<p>Anyway, even IF a student expressed an intent to enroll over the phone, it is not a commitment until signed in writing with a deposit. Nobody at the school is going to give that spot to someone else or even count on it filled by a reaction over the phone. Also, there IS NO waitlist that Syracuse would even go to at this juncture. Syracuse, as I explained, is going to make X number of offers to yield Y number of slots. The X is greater than the Y. The waitlist is only IF they do not yield the Y number of slots. So, even IF a student indicated on the phone that she was planning to attend another BFA program her slot would not go to any "waitlist" at this point. The decisions as to who to accept and who to reject and who to waitlist, are ALREADY made. That slot is not up for grabs at this point. That slot may not need to be filled because the school has accepted more applicants than slots available as some will not opt to attend. The school also likely has a waitlist and those letters will also go out. It is not like the slot is now going to some "waitlist" if the student on the phone says, "no". The waitlist is not going to be utilized until AFTER MAY 1 when ALL applicants who received a letter of acceptance have replied with their deposits and intentions. When and if they have not filled the slots they hope to yield amongst the higher number of acceptances they offered, ONLY THEN would Syracuse go to the waitlist. The so called Waitlist is made up of students who received letters putting them on a waitlist, not some pile of applications now sitting in the office waiting on the results of these admissions offer phone calls. At this juncture, every applicant to Syracuse has been labeled admit, deny, or waitlist. There is no determination pending following these phone calls on the others on the pile, in other words. The decision about every applicant is already made and they are either in the admit, deny, or waitlist pile waiting to be mailed out. </p>

<p>The early phone calls allow the program to plant an interest in each applicant in some cases, before they have heard from the rest of their schools, thus getting them psyched about that school. Also the personal touch adds an element to strengthening the applicant's interest in that school. Schools WANT their admitted applicants to CHOOSE THEM. They will do what they can now to attract the admitted students into actually matriculating. They will hold events for admitted students, have current students or professors call them up, etc. It is part of their marketing to get the yield up.</p>

<p>ok, i posted this in the Michigan school board...but im really in pain....its been like 35 days since i've auditioned for them...i checked on the website to see my status because all of my friends that auditioned the same day as me from CMU got rejected :-(, so i checked and it said that they finished looking through all my stuff and have made a decision and it should be sent out to soon...so then i called the school to see when i would find out..and she went and asked and said that they wanted to see the auditions on March 3rd and 9th and then e-mail me their final decision no more than a week or two after....so the 9th has passed and im still waiting..and everyday has me in agony...cause i havent been accepted anywhere...this waiting is hard...:(...
and now next week i have to have surgery...and everything just seems to be building up on me...im just trying to get through each day at a time..lol :)
so hopefully soon.......hopefully.....
Congrats u guys for your amazing spirit...and good luck :)</p>