Religion

<p>I love religion. I'm a very orthodox Roman Catholic who likes to think of himself as devout -- the Catholic Christian faith is, by all means, the absolute truth to me -- but I love reading about and studying other religions, as well as mythologies (dead religions). I am fascinated with the phenomenon of religion in the world, past and present. I connect with it in a very warm and friendly way, intellectually and spiritually. As strong as my Christian convictions are, when I study Buddhism or Hinduism or Islam I do not approach them with a "Man, they're so wrong!" type of attitude; I genuinely try to find the truths in them, of which there are many, and try to identify with them. The same goes for the religions of the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Aztecs, and Native Americans. Studying this stuff is my idea of fun. I'm down with it.</p>

<p>We live in a world that increasingly looks upon religion with distain, contempt, and fear. I totally understand this thinking. I used to feel the exact same way, before I found my own religion and subsequently became interested in the study of other religions, and religion as a phenomenon. I was terrified of religion, and religious people. My worst fear was becoming a religious person, and so I spent much of my life running away from any remote possibility of that happening. I also recognized the fact that much of the violence and terror in the world is done in the name of religion. This, in my mind, legitimized my fear and contempt.</p>

<p>Yet everything has a dark side, doesn't it? Political thought and organized politics, for instance, has given us many great and wonderful things, like democracy and countless freedoms, but it has also led to Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia. We do not condemn political thought and organized politics, or call for the abolishment and extermination of them, because of this; we keep it, because, in the face of the bad, so much good has come from it. Likewise, automobiles are probably the biggest cause of death in the entire world, but we don't stop driving or call for their abolishment, because automobiles have done so much for society. This, in general, is how I look at religion. Yes, bad things have happened and do happen because of it in certain circumstances, but the good definitely outweights it.</p>

<p>I believe that religion is one of the most important things in life that human beings possess. It deserves to be given respect and deserves to be explored without fear and contempt. So much of what we take for granted today -- art, science, technology -- was born and nurtured under the wing of religion and religious thinkers. Things lead to other things; religious thought led to philosophical thought, which led to scientific thought. Without the religious thought, the philosophical thought which led to scientific thought and its subsequent discoveries would probably not have happened, at least in a way that we would recognize. Without religion, our world would be a very different place -- and I don't think for the better.</p>

<p>I guess what I am trying to say is this: No matter what religion you practice, it is far more likely to enrich your existence on this earth than take away from it. And even if you aren't religious at all, you owe it to yourself to study religion anyway, if for no other reason than learning more about the world that you live in. </p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>WOW- That was amazing, you should really thing about priesthood.</p>

<p>I have no contempt for religion. I love to study religion. I only have contempt for the self righteous.</p>

<p>You make some good points in your posts. I think religion is more likely to help people than to hurt them.
I'm a Christian and generally consider myself to be a nondenominational one.<br>
I don't spend nearly as much time on cc as some other people do, but I did notice how some of your posts were biblically based and "lined up with God's word," which was refreshing.
Concerning people of different religious faiths, well, I don't feel it's my job to try to convert them to Christianity. I've met some Catholics and Mormons who seemed devout and as if their religious beliefs were helping them.</p>

<p>Fides, I've expressed my respect for your views (and, more importantly, the attitude with which your express those views) numerous times. I completely agree with your opening post. I think there is a lot of beauty in religion, and as long as people retain the capacity to think for themselves and not just blindly follow their leaders, there is much enrichment to be had from religion. I also love the way you approach other religions, with an attitude of learning rather than condemning. My biggest complaint about religious people (generally speaking) is when they think there is no value in other religions because other religions are totally 'wrong.' I wish more religious people had your attitude. Rock on!</p>

<p>"I have no contempt for religion. I love to study religion. I only have contempt for the self righteous."</p>

<p>Ha! Well said!</p>

<p>So many religion threads all of a sudden. Lol</p>

<p>Religion and Asian discrimination topics are coming up very frequently.</p>

<p>I don't believe that any religion exists devoid of hypocrisy other than those of no religion.</p>

<p>Religion clouds people's judgements, causing the beliefs of many to be dictated by the few (i.e. Pope/ Arch Bishop of Canterbury).</p>

<p>Religion on a personal level has been beneficial to most that I've met.
Unfortunately, religion plays a huge force in politics and public affairs - IMO, it generally has had a negative influence in these spheres.</p>

<p>"Religion on a personal level has been beneficial to most that I've met.
Unfortunately, religion plays a huge force in politics and public affairs - IMO, it generally has had a negative influence in these spheres."</p>

<p>Good point. I think that is illustrating the difference between personal spirituality vs the organization, the political entity.</p>

<p>You can never divorce religion from politics, though, especially in democracies. The simple reason is that religious people are voters, too; they vote based on their beliefs, and much of their belief system regarding "the issues" happens to come from religion. This is the way it is in free societies.</p>

<p>Before someone screams "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!" let me state this historical fact: America's separation of church and state laws were drawn up to protect religious people/organizations from government, not the other way around. At the time, the Church of England had been actively persecuting Catholics and non-Anglican Protestants for quite awhile, and by the separation of church and state laws the American government was effectively saying "We will not do this to you. You are free to believe what you wish."</p>

<p>True, I don't think that the religion and politics can ever be separated (in a democracy).</p>

<p>Religion has played a destructive role in world politics as well as American politics.</p>

<p>Sure. But a pretty fair case could also be made for Atheism as a destructive role in world politics.</p>

<p>Like I said, everything has a dark side. Thoroughly Atheistic regimes have plenty of blood on their hands, if twentieth century European history has anything to say about it.</p>

<p>Very true. That has always been my point: these issues are rarely clearly delineated. There are often shades of grey in most anything.</p>

<p>I would love to see a broad spirituality as the norm in the land, with plenty of room for diversity as to how, or if, people wanted to pursue that spirituality, and no repercussions if they chose not to.</p>

<p>You know, that's one of the reasons why I was initially drawn to Catholicism: there exists a diverse range spiritualities within the Church, and they all happily and graciously co-exist under one enormous roof. Ignatian (Jesuit) spirituality, for instance, is quite different from Benedictine or Carthusian spirituality; ditto for Augustinian spirituality in relation to, say, Paulist or Spiritan spirituality. There are many different spiritual paths in the Church; no one way is the "right" way. (Pope John Paul II was a Thomist; Benedict XVI is very much an Augustinian.) And many Catholics don't choose any particular one, opting instead for a more general faith, or -- like me -- even incorporating aspects from several different Catholic spiritual "schools" in their journey of faith.</p>

<p>The amazing thing, to me, is that they all arose and grew out of a strict obedience to Catholic teaching. Just goes to show how much room there is in the Church to be an individual and a unique voice, even when (I would say, especially when) one is completely orthodox in their faith.</p>

<p>I'm happy to hear that, and yes, I was aware of those different variations of Catholicism.</p>

<p>If you were to take that very same idea and expand it to include Buddhism, Paganism, etc. then you will have an idea of the New Age view of spirituality (which would be the closest thing to a label of myself).</p>

<p>Interesting and civil discussion (so far).
I became a skeptic at 12 - and presently somewhere between atheism and agnosticism.
I plan on studying Sanskrit and studying the Bhagvad Gita to know more about my original religion. </p>

<p>Who exactly are you referring to when you mention atheists? Stalin and Mao. For the most part, they were more intent upon spreading their power than the idea of crushing believers. True, their biases also lent them to suppress believers.</p>

<p>But on the whole, religion has still held an incomparably overwhelmingly destructive role in world politics in general. Atheism has only been a 20th century phenomenon (and a destructive one at that).</p>

<p>Religion is benificial as long as people keep it to themselves. It becomes a hinderance when people try to force their beliefs onto others. I. for one, keep to myself when it comes to religion and never try to make someone do something only because I think it's right. As someone else here said; religion is benificial on a personal level.</p>

<p>P.S. Fides et ratio: I was just wondering how you pronounce your screen name. thanks.</p>

<p>It's pronounced "FEE-DAYS EH RAT-EE-O." In case you're curious, it's Latin for "faith and reason."</p>