<p>I moved here last August from out of state and completed all the residency stuff by the deadline, which was sometime in October. The residency for tuition purposes forms has a bunch of questions about whether or not I have been physically present and considered California to be my permanent home for the past 12 months. Is that referring to the 12 months from TODAY, or is it the 12 months before the deadline in October? I'm worried that by saying I haven't been here for 12 months I'm going to raise a bunch of red flags regarding my residency. </p>
<p>just but reading your post I see a bunch of red flags… you barely came here last August. Dude,You are probably not a California resident. We need people like you to pay out of state tuition and subsidize our education.</p>
<p>in a seriousness, the issue of being a California Resident is worth 22,878 a year. Each UC has an auditors that will look closely at application to catch non-residents. I am speculating here, but I would not doubt if they are paid on commission (or get bonuses).</p>
<p>are u an incoming freshman or transfer student?? did you attend a California H.S or California Community College?? all these factors will affect your decicison.</p>
<p>Here is all the info you need
<a href=“UC Legal - Office of the General Counsel | UCOP”>UC Legal - Office of the General Counsel | UCOP;
<p>Good luck establishing residence only being here since August.</p>
<p>sorry to double post, to reiterate the point, read the top third of page 11:</p>
<p>“To receive a California resident classification for tuition purposes, students, and
parents when applicable, have the burden of providing clear and convincing
evidence that they have satisfied all applicable UC Residence Policy and Guidelines
requirements.”</p>
<p>Again the UC’s have sharks (I mean admission lawyers) making sure you pay your fair share of tuition. Similar to an IRS audit.</p>
<p>@Dagoberto - I agree with you we need people to subsidize our education and OOS students do carry that burden.</p>
<p>And this would be the most important thing in the determination for residency for tuition purposes, ** “To be classified a resident for tuition purposes, in addition to 366 days of physical presence and intent, a student who is not dependent on a California-resident parent must demonstrate financial independence (total self-sufficiency) for two, full years immediately preceding the residence determination date of the term for which a resident classification is sought.” **</p>
<p>So it looks like @UCxDreamer you may be eligible by next August if since last August you have been doing everything you can to become a CA resident, not just live here to go to school.</p>
<p>"The residence determination date is the day instruction begins at the last of the University of California campuses to open for the quarter. "</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>
<p>I disagree. Physical presence is probably the least important factor for determining residence. The other clause, Intent to make California your state of residence, is more important. There’s a lot of provisions for that one, like paying CA taxes, having a CA drivers license, severing all ties with previous state of residence, etc. And the burden of proof is on the student.</p>
<p>@Dagoberto I’m a transfer student and I spent this past year going full time to a California Community College. For admission purposes I was considered a CCC student, not an out of state student. Just to be clear, I have every intent to stay here long after I finish school. The fact the UCs are out here was an added bonus, but they are not the reason I came to CA. </p>
<p>@Matt4200 I don’t have to worry about the financial independence aspect since I am 25. The residence determination date is October 2 for fall quarter, and I definitely established residency here in CA before that. </p>
<p>@RamonaFalls I don’t have a job out here so I haven’t paid taxes, but I did get a CA drivers license in September, I’m registered to vote here, I have a gym membership, a zoo membership, a lease, and a bunch of utilities all with my address here on them. </p>
<p>You guys are all freaking me out! I thought I did everything right to be considered in state, the only thing I feel like I should have done is gotten a bank account out here, which I didn’t do because I have no job/income so I don’t really use the bank, and I have mobile banking that makes physically visiting a bank obsolete. </p>
<p>I mostly just want to know if the form I need to submit by 6/1 is referring to 12 months before NOW or 12 months before the residence determination date. </p>
<p>@RamonaFalls - I was referring to the financial independence necessity if you aren’t a dependent of a CA resident.</p>
<p>@UCxDreamer - It’s actually October 3rd.</p>
<p>And if you are referring to the Statement of Legal Residence it’s referring to from the Residence Determination Date.</p>
<p>I remember when I did mine it asked a lot of questions going back at least 3 years, just make sure you answer them all honestly and if you have any questions about a question call the residency officer for the campus.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>@UCxDreamer
“Residence can be established, or altered, only by the union of physical presence and intent. Physical presence alone is insufficient; intent alone is insufficient.”
“Physical presence in California solely for educational purposes does not constitute the establishment of California residence, regardless of length of stay.”</p>
<p>In order to prove intent for Fall 2014 quarter, you must have relinquished all out-of state intent by 12/13/13. Meaning you have to have applied for and received your California DL, have utility bills, a lease, registered your car, and PERMANENTLY changed your address prior to 12/13/13. Where is your income coming from? How are you paying your expenses? Your parents? Are they paying for your college tuition? If so, are they deducting the expense of your college tuition from THEIR taxes? Although you don’t have to prove financial independence, not being able to account for your income can disqualify you from residency because you cannot prove that you are satisfying your California tax obligation.They will ask for a bank statement or proof or income. If the bank statement shows that you still bank or receive income from out of state, then you will not be considered a resident. Is your vehicle registered in California? Is your car insured in California? You have to be able to prove that you have severed ALL ties outside of California. You may have utilities and a lease here in California, but if you are still banking out-of-state (especially if the income from wherever it is you are getting it from is being deposited from out-of-state) and you do not have a job or any other tie to California other than your driver’s license and gym membership (a lease and utilities don’t count), you will have a very difficult proving that you have severed all ties from your home state and that your “intent” is to make it California yourpermanent home.</p>
<p>@knhofto My parents are helping me with big expenses like rent and tuition, and I saved up a bunch of money before I moved out here that I use for smaller expenses. I’m pretty sure I’m exempt from the financial portion of the SLR because I’m 25. I don’t have to submit any documents regarding my income. </p>
<p>How to I permanently change my address? I use my CA address on all documents and have it on my drivers license. Is there a more official way to do that? I don’t own a car, so I don’t have to worry about registration or insurance. The only banking I’ve done since I got here is depositing some old paychecks and some birthday money, which I did over my phone. In person banking is becoming pretty old school, I can’t imagine it matters where I lived when I opened a bank account in a nation wide bank. </p>
<p>@Matt4200 Thanks! I emailed the residency officer and was told the same thing - that the date range they’re interested in is 10/1/2013 - 10/2/2014. I submitted the form using those dates and they said I’m considered a resident! Not sure if they’re going to do further review, but I don’t see why I would have any problems since I’ve definitely been living here that entire time. </p>
<p>@UCxDreamer
Use this link to make sure that you have “legal indicia” dated before 12/13/13 in case they ask you to submit proof of legal indicia of intent and other California indicia of intent:
<a href=“UC Legal - Office of the General Counsel | UCOP”>UC Legal - Office of the General Counsel | UCOP;
You must have begun your residency by October 1st of last year, but you have until 12/13/13 to establish your intent. You have to be able to prove both:</p>
<p>"Intent to make California one’s permanent home is a required element of
residence for purposes of tuition and fees. Intent is evaluated separately from
physical presence and requires objective evidence to assist the residence deputy in
assessing the totality of the individuals’ conduct and circumstances. </p>
<p>To prove California is one’s primary and permanent domicile (residence),
student/parent(s) must obtain legal indicia of intent, as well as other California
indicia of intent, and demonstrate that any and all ties to their past place of
residence have been relinquished. </p>
<p>To satisfy the union of physical presence and intent, indicia of intent should be
acquired and all out-of-state indicia relinquished at least 366 days prior to the
term for which a resident classification is requested. However, the University
allows a limited period of time within the 366-day requirement to obtain legal
indicia of intent and relinquish all ties to the past place of residence. </p>
<p>Newly enrolling students, or students continuing enrollment at UC who are
requesting a resident classification for the 2014 fall term, must have established
California legal intent and relinquished all out-of-state legal intent prior to the end
of the fall 2013 term."</p>
<p>You are not required to prove financial independence. However, if your parents are paying your tuition for you and claiming your tuition on their taxes in another state, it may be viewed as not relinquishing all legal ties. You may want to ask for clarification. I misunderstood you about the bank, I thought you meant that you have an account with a bank not located in the state of California.</p>
<p>You can file for a permanent address change with the post office. Save the receipt.</p>
<p>@knhofto Hopefully the tuition issue doesn’t count as legal ties, because there’s not really a way around that for me. I think it would be unreasonable for the school to consider that evidence against my intent to stay here, since my parents’ location has no bearing on where I live. I technically do have an account with a bank outside of CA, but I haven’t deposited any money in it since I got here. I just occasionally use my debit card attached to it. Thanks for the tip about the post office, it’s obviously well past the deadline to do all this stuff but I’ll make the official change anyway. </p>
<p>Change it ASAP anyway. If for some reason you are still considered OOS for Fall Quarter, you will definitely be considered in state by Spring 2015. The only way around the tax issue (if it is an issue at all) would be if your parents paid your tuition but just didn’t claim it on their taxes.</p>
<p>@ucxdreamer the fact that you were considered a california resident at your community college will help your case.</p>
<p>Just call the residency affairs office. I call them all the time and they are always super helpful and answer all my qs</p>