Rice or Princeton?

<p>OK, so I'll be making a much more extensive post later on this, but for now I'll do this short one.</p>

<p>I'm going to be majoring in Physics probably, but I have a wide range of interests, scattered throughout the liberal arts.</p>

<p>I've visited both Rice and Princeton, and focused on talking to as many groups of people as possible, which turned out to be about 30-50 students at each school, mostly freshmen/sophmores.</p>

<p>A couple things stuck out to me in particular.</p>

<p>At Princeton, academics looked absolutely amazing. Not only did they have world leaders in all subjects, but they require all underclassmen to do research in a Physics major. In Rice, academics were certainly strong, but the resources were lacking in comparison, and I was basically told that it is more or less impossible for a undergraduate to do research beyond scrubbing flasks in the lab. Also, it seems that Princeton is stronger across the board, and that it would probably be much easier to pursue my other interests there then at Rice -- not only does Pton facilitate late major changes, but they only require about 1/3 of your classes be in your major -- as opposed to about 2/3 at Rice. Academics are especially important to me; I don't just want to go to college to get that piece of paper -- I really want to learn as much about as many things as I can, and above all learn to "think" clearer, more objectively, better.</p>

<p>However, you know how people talk about that feeling that you get when you're on the right campus, it just feels right and perfect, that elusive gut feeling? I got that feeling at Rice, but not at Princeton. I felt the difference pretty much from the time I set foot on both the campuses, until the moment I left. Also, at Rice, I meshed with the people much better, I think. It felt very warm and very inviting socially, and I the people just seemed like my kin. Also, people talk about Rice being nerdy, but I felt that was somewhat unfounded -- yes, nerdier than my high school, but less so, but not nearly as much as Harvey Mudd or U. of Chicago. Further, I like nerdiness to some extent. At Princeton, there seemed to be just as much nerdiness as at Rice, but on the whole, people seemed like average teenagers, which is a bad thing for me -- I meshed with people there about as well as I would expect to mesh with a random selection of college kids -- not really the connection that I felt at Rice. A theory that I have on this is that the pool of kids who apply to Rice is self-selecting, whereas everyone and their grandma applies to Princeton.</p>

<p>I think that I perhaps may be exagering both of these things. Academics are naturally going to feel superior at Princeton, because it's got the big name and the big name people. Also, I think I may have been naturally initially close-minded to Princeton students: I was all hyped up on Rice, and wanted it to be better than Princeton (I naturally try to go against what people generally believe to be true, smug that I'm smarter than all those fools who go with the masses).</p>

<p>Anyway, I've got the two end-all decision makers going against each other on this one: the academics and opportunities seem better at one, whereas the other had a better "feel" and "atmosphere".</p>

<p>So, what do you think?</p>

<p>Well, I guess it wasn't so short after all -- I'll still make a much longer post later.</p>

<p>Did you talk with Profs at Rice about doing research? If your gut says Rice, maybe you should talk with some profs about research opportunities.</p>

<p>If you aren't happy socially, you won't enjoy college (not matter how good the academics are). Go to Rice.</p>

<p>But then again, your college experience is mainly based on you, not the campus. Remember, your impressions are completely subjective. I visited Rice once and absolutely loved it- I felt that it was my school. The next time I visited, the campus felt much colder. The point is, go by atmosphere, but don't go entirely by first impressions, and be careful not to be turned off from a whole university by a handful of people.</p>

<p>However, you can't go wrong with Rice.</p>

<p>If Rice is where you feel more comfortable, it might be a better option for you, because a great learning environment will only support your desire to "actually learn something" like you said.
Then again, it is Princeton. What about money? Is your aid better at either of the schools? Considering Rice's lower sticker price, and if financing your education is an issue, then Rice could be a winner.</p>

<p>Completely true... if you don't have that 'gut' feeling of liking a college, don't go there. You'll get plenty of research opportunities in graduate school, and Rice will open all sorts of doors in terms of grad programs, so I wouldn't be concerned about your academic situation at Rice at all.</p>

<p>(Impossible to do research at Rice? Heck, <em>nothing</em> is impossible at Rice! Just ask around... maybe you can get your foot in the door by offering to be a lab monkey and sweep floors for free for a while, or something. Nothing's impossible, some things just require a little more creativity than others.)</p>

<p>Go to the place that you love. If you're happy where you are, you'll excel. If you're unhappy, your grades are gonna slip, too, so concentrate on your happiness first for your college career.</p>

<p>Best of luck!
-Amy</p>

<p>Remember that Princeton is an amazing institution. I completely agree with aibarr about your "gut" feeling about Rice but attending Princeton may open more doors for you in the future than Rice may; honestly, you can't go wrong with either one.</p>

<p>I applied to both Princeton and Rice. I got into Rice but not Princeton (and I'm enrolling at Rice) but I am confident that even if I had gotten into Princeton, I would have chosen Rice. Rice seemed more personal - I went to Owl Weekend and knew that the people there were who I wanted to be with. Princeton has the "better" reputation but I wouldn't let that be a factor in your decision. In terms of success at finding a job - that's much more down to you than the college you attended. Adults all around me tell me that graduate school is the really important factor in getting a high-flying dream job.</p>

<p>Go with your gut feeling - it's what I'm doing and I have no doubt that it is the right choice. Transferring out of Princeton because you don't like it will be much worse than loving Rice!</p>

<p>LOL How wonderfully biased selectional boards are. You will get the reverse answer on the princeton board. Dont ask strangers to determine your life. </p>

<p>Uhm...</p>

<p>RICE ROX!</p>

<p>I'm from Houston and i've taken summer classes at Rice, and I've considered applying to Princeton... so I consider myself... sort of unbiased... </p>

<p>Though I agree about the whole gut feeling thing, I would ultimately go to the place I felt like I would get a better education... because I find it hard to believe many wouldn't fit in AT ALL at Princeton...
though I could be wrong.</p>

<p>Brian,
It is possible to do research at Rice because they have a wonderful scholarship program called Century Scholars. Students who win these scholarships get $6,000 per year for the first two years. They are matched up with a faculty mentor to do research. My impression is that it is substantial research, much more than scrubbing flasks.</p>

<p>princeton ios a boring town. it's nice. but dull. what's there to do. go to triumph or the coffee shop or halo pub (the ice cream place). choose rice. i would.</p>