Rice vs. WUStL vs. JHU Undergrad

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<p>I'm a junior and I am torn between these 3 schools for pre-med. I plan to become an ophtho. whcih has selective residencies so I need a good med school after udnergrad.</p>

<p>Add the Rice/Baylor BA/MD program in addition to regular Rice admission.</p>

<p>I need to go to a top 10 med school (Baylor is 10th). Money is a factor for me (I'm not poor, but I have to pay for it myself). Rice seems to be the greatest option. It's pretty cheap compared to the other.</p>

<p>They all seem to have great research (a must-have for med school). Rice has the Texas medical center next door which has BCM (baylor college of med) people work there giving me better chances at getting to know somebody to give me a recommendation with connections.</p>

<p>JHU and WUSTL have huge endowments and NIH grants.</p>

<p>Rice has nearby cheap housing available. I can save on tuition possibly by getting a cheap house to forgo room and board and at the same time being considered ins-state for BCM (Texas med school residents pay 1/3 the price).</p>

<p>If I get into Rice/Baylor then I'd be a fool not to take that. Right?</p>

<p>I want to put my AP credits to use. I can skip a year at WUStL and Rice but not JHU. If I do Rice/Baylor then my skipped year has to be used for something like studying abroad or research.</p>

<p>Do all of these schools offer Howard Hughes fellowships? I think I have a good chance at one of those considering I'm doing a HHMI/NIH internship during my senior year at HS.</p>

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<p>the BA/MD program for rice/baylor is prolly close to impossible to get accepted to since almost all BA/MD programs go from 2000 applicants to 10 students.</p>

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<p>why do you NEED to go to a top 10 medical school anyway?</p>

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<p>Did I not mention ophtho.? That's a hard residency to get into anywhere. A good med school will boost my chances vastly.</p>

<p>I'm not banking on Rice/Baylor, but I think I have a good chance if I score well on my SAT and shadow a doctor this summer. I will have all the signs of somebody who is determined to become a doctor, which is one of the greatest qualities they look for in applicants.</p>

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<p>YOu do know that Rice/Baylor takes half its people from Texas. So 20 people overall. 10 from 40 states. That means one from four states.</p>

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<p>Wow...that makes me mad and disappointed. That doesn't mean I'm not going to apply though.</p>

<p>EDIT: <a href="http://www.futureowls.rice.edu/futureowls/Admission_FAQs.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.futureowls.rice.edu/futureowls/Admission_FAQs.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Where are you getting your info from? It never mentions that 10 people are from Texas.</p>

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<p>Bump.......</p>

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<p>I'm not banking on Rice/Baylor, but I think I have a good chance if I score well on my SAT and shadow a doctor this summer.</p>

<p>hahah... i had that and more, and didn't get accepted to any BA/MD programs, even the less selective ones. don't bank on getting into those programs, they're impossible.</p>

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<p>What was your SAT? Did you do any research before college? Were you an international applicant?</p>

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<p>2060; significant research both at an individual level and working at a prestigious foreign research institute; multiple internships and clinical experience; full IB diploma with 43 points expected; international applicant but american citizen.</p>

<p>i guess you could say my SAT did it. then again, i know people with similar stats and much higher SATs who didn't get in to any. they are very difficult, and you can't count on them.</p>

<p>that said, i'm going to JHU.</p>

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<p>I don't understand. Will the international applicant part hurt you or not then?</p>

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<p>Don't even consider R/B as an option... like, it's NOT, and shouldn't be considered until you (if you) get an interview notice. Seriously. BA/MDs are - as you know, stupid hard to get into. The odds are so low regardless of numbers and internships.</p>

<p>Speaking of which... you're doing the MCPS HHMI/NIH one right? I hope that's not your only research experience. You'll need clinical stuff. Lots. I didn't get into any of the BS/MDs I applied to - no interviews! (then again I wasn't that serious) - but I got into their respective schools, and several others this year. I'll be attending Duke this fall as a Public Policy and Neurosci major (Turned down JHU for it... it was a hard decision though)</p>

<p>Second... "They all seem to have great research (a must-have for med school)" It's not a "must-have" by any means.</p>

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<p>Also, I wouldn't skip a year unless you spend that time doing something significant... this is the response to a question about doing undergrad in three years, and its effect on your medschool application:</p>

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<p>And most importantly... go to the school you like the most, and feel that you'll do best at. If you are in an environment where you're happy, where your social life is what you want it to be, where you can pursue your intellectual interests, then you will do better in school. I strongly advise against picking any school for it's pre-med reputation alone (and banking on any BS or BA/MDs)... go to the school because you love the programs they offer, their advising (unlike reputation premed advising is a factor), and the atmosphere of the campus and students, go because they give you opportunities, not because of a name.</p>

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<p>I don't have much clinical experience other than about 60 hours of volunteer work at the hospital. I did simple things with patients (e.g., feed, transport, clean rooms, etc.) and paperwork.</p>

<p>Will shadowing a doctor on weekends during the summer make my clinical experience adequate?</p>

<p>I'm not banking on any of these, but it can't hurt to apply. Of course, I'm still going to be applying to regular undergrad programs</p>

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<p>I dunno. Honestly ... there are some programs that come to mind (PSU) that reject if you don't have shadowing, but I think shadowing is pretty weak so I never did any (Could be why BU and URoch hated me). You might as well do it if it's not a big committment though... as long as you can talk about what you gained from it and how its just helped you make sure its what you wanna do. Be humbleeee.</p>

<p>As for the HHMI thing... it's what you make of it. You don't need your mentor to write you a recommendation if you're not comfortable with it (I didn't and it was fine) because you'll get this really spiffy sheet to send to all your colleges saying how awesome the internship is. (I'm actually in my lab right now... prepping for the presentation! It's not as good as it's cracked up to be though... you'll prolly get tired of it soon after starting. 1400 hours is a lottttt)</p>

<p>Take your SAT/ACT/SATIIs and then just apply... don't worry too much about the BS/MDs though... it's really a toss up! You've got about as good a shot as most applicants (maybe slightly more because of the HHMI thing but I don't think any people out of our 22 got a BS/MD acceptance anyway) and the internship really shines when applying for undergrad programs.</p>

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<p>I only applied to two BA/MD programs this year (Northwestern HPME and Rice/Baylor) because I was totally ready to go through the regular premed path and I decided that those would be the only programs worth going to if I get in because their med schools are incredible. I knew how hard BA/MD programs were and I thought I had no chance of getting in either program, but I got an interview for HPME. I didn't get one for Rice/Baylor, but it is extremely hard to predict who gets in these programs. At the beginning of this year, if someone told me that I was going to get in HPME, I would have thought they were crazy. I recommend that you apply to Rice/Baylor, but it would be best to prepare yourself for the regular premed path. Out of WashU, JHU, and Rice, I think that Rice would be the best for you because its cheaper than the other two (and also meets 100% demonstrated need) and it also places its undergrads in great medical schools, esp. Baylor College of Medicine.</p>

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<p>Don't get too excited now; you only got an interview. Good luck though!</p>

<p>I won't have any need. My parents make about 200K a year combined. That's good until it comes time for financial aid (they're only paying about 30k ALTOGETHER for my college).</p>

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<p>lol afruff23 =D nu's med program results are already out and because the poster is going to nu...we should assume he got into the med program already =D! congrat to him!...only one person from my whole school got into a direct md program->concidentally it was also nu lol =D</p>