The photos of bused-in protestors has been debunked by a non-partisan source-- http://www.snopes.com/anti-trump-protesters-bused-into-austin/
I’ve been on a multi year mission on this board to reclaim snowflake.
Snowflakes are beautiful!
Go snowflakes!
Snowflake Bentley: The Original Snowflake!
He spent his life in the cold for beautiful science!
Here’s what Berkeley should have done:
There should have been an armed escort for Yiannopoulus into the event and a heavy police presence around the hall to prevent this ‘heckler’s veto’. When Salmon Rushdie spoke at an event at UCLA (when he was under fatwa) there was a heavy police presence to protect him.
These students do not understand the very fundamentals of what ‘free speech’, the Constitution and liberty mean.
This comes at a time when most Californians were very sympathetic to students and upset that the Regents raised tuition at the UC campuses and when Jerry Brown is threatening to do away with tuition assistance to middle class families. Now I’m not so sympathetic to the students, at least at Berkeley.
Well, at least someone has been reading up on their history because this is precisely the sort of thing that happened in pre-Revolutionary Russia. The Bolsheviks kept pushing and pushing the boundaries of protest until it provoked the inevitable tsarist crackdown - which eventually led to full-scale revolution. Is there anyone remaining who still thinks It Can’t Happen Here? Will that person please remember to turn out the lights on their way out?
@Dustyfeathers, I don’t know what to tell you. I like snopes, but I trust my cousin more. Sorry.
@Ohiodad51 Yep I don’t know your cousin!
But I trust facts.
@Dustyfeathers, :)>-
Actually, that is already federal law and applies to all federal grant statues to states, cities, schools etc.
Federal law dictates that federal monies should be withdrawn from any recipients who do not abide by all federal laws and who do not enforce federal laws.
Berkley is a public school and note that the police did virtually nothing to stop the rioting. At that point, the federal government should withhold money from Berkley for allowing: 1) the non-peaceful disruption of a speech and 2) the destruction of property.
It is the same federal law that would allow denying federal monies to sanctuary cities. No new laws or directives are required, as congress already made following and enforcing federal law a condition to receive federal money.
This article says there were no arrests. A major failing. People were beaten, injured. Fires were started. Windows were broken and there were NO ARRESTS.
Anyone know why there were no arrests made? That just seems strange.
“For example, protestors who are holding signs and shouting at Planned Parenthood clinics are required to maintain a certain distance from the method of ingress and egress from the building. Those protestors are not generally violent, but their speech is curtailed in this way because of the “enthusiasm” with which they operate”
Actually they are limited because by being closer they obstruct others in doing what is legal (please I am not attempting to change the discussion). Their free speech rights are being protected and the rights of the patients are also protected. I think the same sort of arrangement should be made for just about any protest. So long as your protest does infringe on the rights of others to go about their lawful activities then there is no issue. It’s when laws are being broken that the activity ceases to be a protest and thereby “speech” and is now law breaking.
Riots are obvious. However, things such as blocking entrances to public buildings or roads would fall into this catagory as well. I don’t think too many on either side of the issue will argue with the right to present your view. I think it is unfortunate that many on one side of an issue will seek to interfere with the other sides ability to exercise there free speech. I also agree that withholding federal funding is not the way to deal with lawlessness. You are not punishing the right people. Punish the rioters.
I hope the police go through all the various videos of this rioting and make arrests. No arrests = tolerance of rioting.
Any students convicted should be expelled.
Exactly. My point was that there are legal restrictions on speech which is non violent and legal. The same example applies to whether it is people on the left or right who are protesting.
Not sure one has to travel that far logically to get the answer. It is same reason Berkley made no effort to identify its own students involved - the admin condones the behavior.
There is no other reason. What school allows such things to happen on its grounds and does nothing to find out and punish its own students who may have been involved? Answer: the school that is fine with the behavior. And the school which knows that public money (taxpayers) are on the hook to pay for the damages. No private school would allow this because they would have to foot the bill.
In some ways, I think this is a good thing - it does not sway normal people to this argument and side. Who wants to be around such people who behave like this in your daily life? The result is they further ostracize themselves as sane people look and conclude that they do not want their kids or themselves to have to endure and be around such behavior.
The rioters in this case are setting their own causes back - which, ironically, is the reverse of what they want. They are convincing to no one except the choir that lives with them on the left and east coasts. Everyone else is shaking his head.
Well, I don’t know. That post seems to me to contain some “leaps” of logic.
I see Hunt is on the board this am and I am just hanging around hoping to read his thoughts on free speech issues here.
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While I don’t think UCB will actually lose federal funding, I think the threat happened because UCB should have been more proactive in preventing rioters and destruction of property. Sometimes knowing that funding will get cut motivates.
When the Calif legislature learned how much FA the UC’s were giving to OOS students, it threatened to cut funding…and the UCs stopped giving OOS aid. If this fed aid threat is effective, then schools will be more proactive about preventing UNLAWFUL destructive behaviors. No one is against lawful protesting.
The police were not exactly sitting around doing nothing:
Yiannopoulous spoke at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. There were peaceful protesters with signs. No riots. That spoke well for students at that campus.