<p>M2T- I assumed it was the friends she called that night. What other friends could it be referring to?</p>
<p>It was clear in the RS article that she was no longer friends with those who immediately discouraged her from reporting in order to protect their social status. I doubt anyone portrayed so negatively will come forward with their real names now.</p>
<p>The article you cite says only that 2 close friends want to speak up on her behalf now.</p>
<p>Message posted by the Zs, a security society at UVa in the amphitheater:</p>
<p><a href=“https://twitter.com/realwords/status/535802240825819136”>https://twitter.com/realwords/status/535802240825819136</a></p>
<p>Reading the RS article has made me want to know more about UVA’s rape problem. I googled uva rape and after a couple of pages of links to the RS article ii found this <a href=“http://www.c-ville.com/allegations-of-a-botched-uva-rape-investigation-at-center-of-a-challenge-to-the-campus-save-act/#.VG-Dt6go6Ah”>C-VILLE Weekly | Allegations of a botched UVA rape investigation at center of a challenge to the Campus SaVE Act; </p>
<p>The comments could have been written yesterday - the issue of coverup is the same. Also on the weekend that Hannah Graham went missing there was a sexual assault reported on Wertland ( I guess nnear where yesterday’s suicide occurred) does anyone know whatt happened to that case - I can’t find any followup.</p>
<p>What’s the common theme in this, Hannah Graham, Hugueley and lots of other awful events that happen to kids this age?</p>
<p>Not one of these incidents happen without the offender or the victim or both being massively intoxicated. </p>
<p>The Op Ed from a Yale Law School professor in this Sunday’s NY Times could not be more timely or correct:</p>
<p>“That means, first of all, we need to stop being so foolish about alcohol on campus. A vast majority of college women’s rape claims involve alcohol. Not long ago, 18-year-olds in many states could drink legally. College-sponsored events could openly involve a keg, with security officers on hand to ensure that things didn’t get out of hand. Since 1984, when the federal government compelled states to adopt a drinking age of 21, college alcohol policies have been a mockery. Prohibition has driven alcohol into private spaces and house parties, with schools largely turning a blind eye. When those spaces and parties are male-dominated, it’s a recipe for sexual predation. Such predation has been documented: Attending fraternity parties makes women measurably more likely to be sexually assaulted. If colleges are serious about reducing rapes, they need to break the links among alcohol, all-male clubs and campus party life. Ideally, we should lower the drinking age so that staff or security personnel could be present at parties.”</p>
<p><a href=“Opinion | Mishandling Rape - The New York Times”>Opinion | Mishandling Rape - The New York Times;
<p>There is a very long thread on that article alone.</p>
<p><a href=“NY Times op-ed: Mishandling Rape - Parents Forum - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1707597-ny-times-op-ed-mishandling-rape-p1.html</a></p>
<p>My Son was in a fraternity during his time at UVA. He is shocked and upset by the story in RS and shocked and upset by the tone of the article about his beloved school and the greek system which was a wonderfully positive experience for him. While he is not there anymore he hopes that his fraternity takes part in something big to help with this issue. He wants the perpetrators identified and brought to justice.</p>
<p>However, people are using this issue to take out their anger on frats in general instead of focusing on finding the alleged perpetrators and having due process and also making sure the University has a functioning system in place to deal with a significant problem. Assuming all frats are a problem however is stereotyping and dangerous. Now first let me say I do believe something terrible happened to “Jackie” and that it happens to other women as well and ALL Universities need to deal with it. But lets be careful not to rush to judgement about the University, the greek system etc. How soon we all forget the Duke case. I would love to know how Jackie feels about the article and its tone… </p>
<p>“Jackie” I hope you heal and find peace in your life. </p>
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<p>Not the one we are discussing here. </p>
<p>OH- all of the cases we have been describing her involved alcohol (unless I missed one)</p>
<p>I do not see how Jackie’s perps will be brought to justice unless one of them talks. IF they all deny any of this happened, and if she makes mistakes in anything she says, like accidently mistaking one of the perps, getting the room wrong, the timing off, was seen talking and smiling at a time after the alleged incident and caught in a photo as such the case is done, not that I think it will get anywhere anyways. Nor does it deserve to do so, given the situation. We don’t know how much of Jackie’s story is true, if any of it. That is the sad truth of the matter. </p>
<p>I knew women in college who forgot with whom they hooked up with, yes, they were that wasted. And again, there is that possibility that what she claims isn’t true. Yes, people would lie like that. </p>
<p>Mamalumper, I’d just as soon get rid of the Greek gangs. all of them. Though the Duke men did not rape that woman, their activities were those that endeared them to most of the faculty and a lot of those on campus and off. That rep didn’t come from their great community service. </p>
<p>I do hope that Jackie heals and finds peace in her life.</p>
<p>@tv4caster - RS article says "Jackie was sober ". </p>
<p>It also says she had a drink but spilled it out on purpose. </p>
<p>In any case, she doesn’t maintain that there was some misunderstanding about her consent because she was drunk, that’s not the issue.</p>
<p>OH- thanks. I don’t know how I either missed that or forgot. I guess I just remembered the “sipping a spiked drink” part. </p>
<p>CPT That would really be a shame. That’s exactly what I am talking about. There are so many young men and women who have great experiences and have life long friendships through fraternities and sororities. Just because this alleged incident happened in a frat house people are calling for an end to greek life. That is an extreme overreaction. Everyone is also assuming that all the boys involved were fraternity members. That may not be the case. The article states it was a date function. If so, for anyone that knows anything about fraternity date functions, I wonder where the 7 boys dates were for 3 hours. In my son’s frat if you did not have a date for the date function you were no were near the house for the event… A date function is just that, dinner and then a closed party at the frat house, brothers and their respective dates. </p>
<p>It really upsets me when people use an incident like this to further a cause that they stood for anyway like abolishing greek life. </p>
<p>In this instance, the victim may not have been highly intoxicated. It appears that the attackers were. Also appears that many/most of the attendees at the event (who could have been interveners) were as well.</p>
<p>Hannah Graham’s intoxication put her at mortal risk. Very doubtful that Huguley kills Yeardley Love unless he was massively drunk at that moment.</p>
<p>I personally am quite thankful that when I had my inevitable stupid drunken incident as a college freshman, the drinking age was 18. So my faux pas happened out in the open at the student union. Where there were plenty of responsible people around to keep me from hurting myself or someone else. </p>
<p>Just because the young woman “Jackie” in the story wasn’t drunk, does not mean that alcohol was not involved. It appears that alcohol WAS involved. It was definitely described as an alcohol-using context/crowd. </p>
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<li>Did the prospect of drinking alcohol have anything to do with her decision to attend?</li>
<li>Did she drink at all? She is said to have discreetly poured out her cup’s contents, but that doesn’t mean she didn’t swallow any. And we have no idea exactly what was served to her, overtly or in secret.</li>
<li>Did any of her attackers consume (at least) alcohol? Did it lower their inhibitions or impair their judgment?</li>
<li>Might other party attendees or frat boys living in the house have noticed something was wrong if they weren’t impaired by (at least) alcohol?</li>
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<p>I believe her account of what happened and I can accept that she felt she couldn’t publicly disclose everything. I understand that there is no realistic prospect of gathering evidence years later, without a confession. I also think she put herself in a dangerous situation, and that she was too young and inexperienced to realize that or to understand that she should have left immediately.</p>
<p>I am more than a little disturbed by the fact that the University has an Honor Code that requires expulsion of students for academic dishonesty, but the administration merely suspends one for violently assaulting other students. I think the metamessage to the students is quite clear. I am more than a little worried about the prospect of D1’s safety if she goes there next year. </p>
<p>I suppose it’s possible her seven (?) rapists got drunk before they hung out in a dark room waiting for her date to deliver her to them. The whole thing strikes me as meticulously planned.</p>
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<p>Yes - if this “date” had taken place in a bar there wouldn’t have been a private room for her to be lured to.</p>
<p>Part of the problem is that the story “rings true” for so many people. UVA has a reputation for, to be blunt, students of privilege. “Elite”. Money. “Guys in ties, girls in pearls.” Drugs and alcohol readily available. “Preppies”.</p>
<p>Just like the Duke lacrosse team accusations, you hear the story, and your reaction is not, “I don’t believe it!” Instead, it’s nodding and thinking, “Yeah… I can see that happening. That fits.”</p>
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<p>Although if it was a date event designed to have an equal number of women to men, it is likely that “outsider” guys would not have been invited. </p>
<p>There are so many things that need to be fixed, at UVA, at colleges all around and in society in general to stop this from happening that it is impossible to even know where to start. </p>
<p>Here’s an interesting radio interview Coy Barefoot did yesterday. His guest is Dr. Fracher, a psychologist who deals primarily with sexual predators, and who has in the past dealt with the ones UVA sent his way for counseling. He says he had to stop agreeing to see those boys as it was pointless. The boys were generally refusing to take responsibility for their actions and were basically just sitting with arms folded to check off a box that they went to counseling to fulfill their “punishment”. </p>
<p><a href=“http://insidecville.com/city/rape-on-campus/”>http://insidecville.com/city/rape-on-campus/</a></p>
<p>Coy Barefoot has done a terrific job reporting on the terribly sad fall it’s been at UVA. It’s worth following him on facebook for the most up to date information - he’s terrific. </p>