<p>Tell you what, in the end it DOESN’T REALLY MATTER. Want to know why? A lot of Ross kids will have really high GPA’s, and most of them will have very respectable GPA’s (3.3+). But how is it any easier for us to get jobs when we are competing against a large pool of students with 3.7 and 3.8’s? The competition is cut throat. You cannot compare GPA’s from Engineering and Business and recruiters know that. The recruitment process is entirely different. The top banks and consulting firms recruit in both the Engineering and Business schools. While your 3.3 GPA in Engineering will look ****ty compared to the 3.8 Ross GPA, employers see that. Just because I am in the business school and have a 3.7 GPA doesn’t mean I have a much better chance of getting a job compared to someone with a 3.3 in Engineering. In fact, I will be compared to the vast number of students who got 3.8’s and perfect 4.0s. And FYI, even if we have more than a 4.0 when we apply for a job, we are not allowed to put that on our resume (OCD says so). </p>
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<p>Bottom line: - you are clueless too! </p>
<p>No one will look at your 3.5 from engineering and say - “oh that’s crap compared to that biz kid who got a 3.7”. GPA doesn’t even matter as much as you think. How do you think employers make their recruiting decision from the business school when so many students have stellar GPA’s? They look at what distinguishes them outside of class - work experience, EC involvement, leadership skills, communication skills, etc. If you can distinguish yourself in those areas, then it won’t even matter what your GPA is.</p>
<p>bearcats
English is not my 1st language.
But face real guy …you know many professor not speak English right?
Do you complain? you have to get what h/she said. </p>
<p>same in wall street…most of chance you have to work for very heavy broken English boss/clients. ask your dream financial job people how much they have to deal with Engrish, Chinglish,Inglish daily base.
or you do not wish work with foreign market?</p>
<p>“No one will look at your 3.5 from engineering and say - “oh that’s crap compared to that biz kid who got a 3.7”. GPA doesn’t even matter as much as you think. How do you think employers make their recruiting decision from the business school when so many students have stellar GPA’s? They look at what distinguishes them outside of class - work experience, EC involvement, leadership skills, communication skills, etc. If you can distinguish yourself in those areas, then it won’t even matter what your GPA is.”</p>
<p>You need to make the first cut for interviews. That’s where GPA comes in. Without connections, if you dont make the cut off and do not have anything special that gets the attention of a recruiter, you dont even get an interview where your communication skills can shine. Also, some companies have VERY FIRM cut off policies (ZS associates come to mind with a RELATIVELY STERN cut off at 3.5 unless you have something special, on their listing, they even say no rounding lol). Therefore, a 3.51 Ross student would have a chance to get an interview, and a 3.49 engineering student would not. Guess what, I’d venture to say that in most cases it’s easier to get a 3.51 from Ross than a 3.49 in COE (just because of the curve , B+/A- vs B-, 3.4/4.4 rule)</p>
<p>Obviously recruiters and companies who constantly recruit Michigan would know about how they inflate Ross GPAs with their “handicap policy (3.4 for B+ and 4.4 for A+)”… but an employer who does not constantly recruit michigan probably would not be made aware of it (I highly doubt a Ross student would tell the recruiter first thing in an interview “Hey, I go to Ross, and unlike the rest of the school we get a 3.4 for B+ and 4.4 for an A+”. Say now another engineering student applied to the same company and the company only has 1 spot for interview, the engineering student would be at a disadvantage. Because technically not only does the company need to compensate the difference in difficulty of curriculum and grading curve, the company also need to compensate on the “handicap policy” but chances are they would not know about the “handicap policy”</p>
<p>oh and you know what’s really funny, my friend from Ross was applying for the same job with me, and he put 3.7/4.0 . I was like dude, no…it’s 3.7/4.4, but I would bet every dollar that 90% of Ross students put x.x/4.0</p>
<p>to the original poster – if your GPA is around a 3.6 you should have a shot. whoever said that it will come down to your essays is completely right. if they take your GPA seriously (which they will), they will look at your involvement and essays and if those are solid, you certainly have a good shot. don’t worry about it and good luck once july rolls around. hopefully for your case it will be june like it’s supposed to be, rather than july because they can’t make decisions in time.</p>
<p>"paying for iMpact? dude, get a grip. you’re not in ross. use YOUR school’s resources. "</p>
<p>I see just as many Ross and Econ kids at engineering career fair hogging the ibanks, trading shops and consulting firms, and also inquiring about business analyst jobs at tech and fortune 500 companies , please do not step foot in the duderstadt, you are using OUR school’s resources, for free.
Also plenty of Ross kids use the teleconference center in the duderstadt for teleconference interviews. Please refrain from stepping foot in the duderstadt and again, you are using OUR school’s resources for free, hey, at least I have the decency to PAY for the resources from YOUR school.</p>
<p>you’re not in engineering. Please use YOUR school’s resources. Thank you.</p>
<p>that’s cool but i mean, i don’t make a journey up to north campus to study, do interviews or anything like that. and i certainly don’t go to engineering career fairs. that’d be a strange move. i’m not going to argue about this any further, especially over the internet. my point was don’t knock this kid’s classes when all he’s trying to do is gauge his chances at being admitted to ross. no big deal. take it easy</p>
<p>lol I am just saying kids from Ross and LSA do use our resources, FOR FREE. So pretty sure I have the right to use Ross’ resources, especially if I pay. </p>
<p>Bearcats,
All you do is post on CC.
You have no life.
You whine and cry about how hard your IOE ******** is and how unfair/low your GPA is.
You are a disgrace to the Michigan name.
You get none.
You will never make it in the real world. You have no personality. Go wack it to redtube and let your only friend be your computer.
Get ready to be beat by Bschoolers who have a .1 higher GPA and can actually hold a conversation without mentioning the words: “GPA, I.O.E and my D is too small.”</p>
<p>“Bearcats,
All you do is post on CC.
You have no life.
You whine and cry about how hard your IOE ******** is and how unfair/low your GPA is.
You are a disgrace to the Michigan name.
You get none.
You will never make it in the real world. You have no personality. Go wack it to redtube and let your only friend be your computer.
Get ready to be beat by Bschoolers who have a .1 higher GPA and can actually hold a conversation without mentioning the words: “GPA, I.O.E and my D is too small.””</p>
<p>LOL I find it very funny someone’s talking about another person having no life while he started a new account to write crap about another person… Really? Does your CC reputation mean so much to you you dont want to reveal you CC identity?
Or maybe try to hold an argument without resorting to personal attack "“GPA, I.O.E and my D is too small.” " like… pretty sure you’ll get plenty of deals done using that tactic. “Do the deal with us, not them because their D is too small…” and clients will flock to you with their money</p>
<p>so is course toughness the main thing ross looks at for freshman? what else does look for? How does Ross admission differ from high school senior to college freshman?</p>
<p>Yes, course difficulty matters. I know some people that got in with a 3.3 and 3.2, but they transferred from Engineering and had taken hard courses like Engin 101 and Physics 140. They also look for good essays. </p>
<p>Getting in as a college freshman is a lot easier than getting in from high school. When you’re applying in high school, you’re competing against a much larger and smarter applicant pool.</p>
<p>I actually glance at this site a few times a month to learn a little more about Michigan. After I saw bearcats doing his little b itching and crying I had to say something. He needs to know he’ll never make it in the business world. </p>
<p>Consultinghopfu your an ass too. Honestly, what are you 19/20 and want to do consulting already? Act like your age and learn how to talk to girls. Your the type of person nobody hangs out with. Go spend your lonely Saturday nights with bearcats at Bubble Tea or whatever. LOL that, big guy.</p>
<p>I think the upward trend in GPA will help you - especially considering you did well in the quantitative classes that count. The admissions people know the transition to college is hard, so they might be willing to focus more on your second semester grades. With solid essays, you have a good chance.</p>
<p>But why worry about it anymore? You application is submitted, so just relax and wait. :)</p>
<p>(Ignore the bickering on this thread, btw. These guys always talk smack about business students.)</p>