<p>wow, quite a debate in here. Just gonna play devil's advocate a little even though i kinda started it. jnpn, what you said in the last post may be true, but quality of student body doesn't necessarily reflect the quality of education. Kelley has an objective admissions policy, meaning, as long as you meet a certain gpa and SAT score, your in. the requirement's lower but that may be because it also has to compete with nearby colleges like UMich, UIUC, UChicago, Northwestern and UWM. I wholeheartedly agree (and i think everyone else here does too) that Ross is definately better than Kelley. Now the comparison between LSA and Kelley may be fuzzy. LSA has way more kids than kelley, which does mean bigger class sizes and less close contact with the professor. But that just means you gotta try harder (but that still doesn't mean you're def gonna have the same face time with profs). I decided to do some research so that i might be able to get an idea as to the quality of education. I did so by looking at random professors and associate profs and the degrees they held (Kelley vs UMich Econ Dept). The professors in LSA's Economics dept held PhDs from schools such as harvard, MIT, Princeton, and Chicago. The associate prof's held PhDs from colleges like UWM, Northwestern, and Princeton. On Kelley's side the profs hold PhDs from State University of NY in Buffalo, Standford, MSU, Chicago, Purdue, and UMich. The associate profs held PhDs from UWM, Columbia, Texas A&M, Indiana, and Standford. Both sides have teachers from reputable schools, but UMich seems to come out on top. This is a good initial indicator as to the quality of education (kinda like SAT's or IQ tests as an indicator of intelligence, aka not perfect), but unless you ask someone that has attended both, you cannot say with perfect certainty. Also money's a factor for many. Indiana's roughly 10k cheaper a year adding up to 40k over 4 years, and it's much easier to obtain scholarships at Indiana than at UMich (and financial aid for UMich is tougher as well esp for OOS; i'm pretty sure of this, if someone could back me up or disprove me go ahead). </p>
<p>Go ahead and draw your own conclusions, however, my own conclusion is:
If i'm accepted as a PA. Definately go. If i'm only accepted to LSA, 90% chance i'll go and apply at the end of freshman year to Ross again.</p>
<p>If I had my choice...Id rather go economics at michigan too..but that was my main argument the whole time..LSA has stats ahead of Kelley, but doesnt necesarrily reflect the education and reputation...I mean, you nor I are CEO of a big company to know what they want.</p>
<p>lol, plus it helps pass the time as we wait desperately for the pending decisions!
Ok, now i guess i'll pose another question even though it's completely UMich unrelated =D. Say i get rejected from LSA (i actually shivered when i typed this), what are people's opinions on: Indiana-Kelley or Villanova-College of Business Administration? I guess by posting this here, it'll b a lil less biased than if i posted on either of those 2 forums.</p>
<p>Indiana Kelley > Villanova. If you're in the top 5% of your class at IU, you have a very very good chance of getting into I-banking. I don't think i-banks recruit at Villanova. Also, I think Kelley is held in higher regard, and more people have heard of Indiana than Villanova.</p>
<p>wow you really think so??..i ask that seriosuly..because I'm from NY, the east coast, and in the northeast Villanova is widely respected and rightfully so but I always wondered if midwest, west coast even hear of a school like villanova. Is it really inferior to Indiana in the midwest...do people even know about it?? Villanova is also rigth by UPenn Wharton...so i would think Villanova gets alot of recruiting because of the draw to UPenn. Rank pust Villanova ahead of IU- Kelley as well as CSOM at BC....</p>
<p>Villanova is good, but I don't think it attracts investment banking and consulting firms. At Indiana, I know there's this thing called the Investment club (need a 3.8 GPA to be a part of it), and most kids in it get hired by top IB and consulting firms. It also gives you exposure to stocks, bonds, investment and all that kind of fun finance stuff and you get to manage your own portfolio's (from what I've heard from a friend that goes there).</p>
<p>ok..well now, lets say you are an Investment Club student at IU Kelley...plus your saying they recruit real well with IB firms...how can you say LSA economics is a better route than the latter.</p>
<p>It's because those people in the Investment club are Ross caliber. Try maintaining a GPA of 3.8+ over 4 semesters. The top 5% at Indiana will obviously be better than LSA kids at Michigan.</p>
<p>Thanks...yea dats wat im thinking too plus its higher ranked!
but my parents want me too go to stern because they think the recruiting is better there cos of the location plus its 40 minutes away from home : )</p>
<p>haha don't listen to your parents. There's no big difference in recruiting. Lots of Ross graduates get jobs in New York. NYU being close to home is a bonus, but Ross being cheaper by 7-8K is an even bigger bonus! That will add up to ~30K over four years.</p>
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<p>Usually it does, especially when there are fairly significant differences. Generally speaking, the quality of the student body is a function of the demand for spots in the program, which is itself a function of the quality of the program. Obviously there is more to it than that, but when there is a big gap in scores, I think it applies.</p>
<p>i wouldn't consider 80 pts a big gap... but i know wat ur saying. However, when u consider a college like Wash U, when years ago it was far from a top tier college, but by dramatically raising admissions requirements, tuition, and offering top students full rides, it made its student body better, but it's educational quality didn't rise as fast (obviously now it's gotten a lot better).</p>
<p>yooo wuttup guys? i made a cc account just for this!</p>
<p>anyways, i chose ross over stern in a heartbeat. i want the real college experience! GO BLUE!</p>
<p>*** is anyone going to make a University of Michigan Class of 2012 Ross School of Business Pre-Admits facebook group? i found a 2011 one but no 2012! i wanna meet all of you guys, but i'm too shy to make the group myself lol ***</p>
<p>yeah honestly, if you've never visited nyu........i don't know if you'd want to. it's just a bunch of buildings around washington square park. no grass whatsoever, no sports. plus it's like 100% asian (exaggerating of course :-D to be honest i think it's at least 1/3 asian.) so if you're asian (like me) you might have a tough time standing out. there are ALWAYS exceptions and this is just my opinion so i don't mean to offend any of you! a plus? if you're into asian girls there are like a million at stern lol.</p>
<p>if ur into girls at all, nyu's a good choice =P apparently girls outnumber the guys, and a couple of my friends at NYU tell me that a lot of the guys r homosexual/bi (closet or openly). good odds for a straight guy lol</p>
<p>haha "if you want the girls go to NYU" dats funny. but yes i agree wit squadron 101 can somone make a 2012 facebook group id like to meet my fellow PA.</p>