<p>BusinessWeek says Ross has a full time enrollment of 1069. The most recent class ('07-'08) had 935 applicants, acceptance was 38% and 98% matriculate. Plus there are the very few PA's that attend. Those are the BW stats, prob correct.</p>
<p>Businessweek's rankings are a joke. I wasn't aware that they also got acceptance rates wrong. Looks like they factored in the preferred admits already enrolled when calculating the admissions rates for freshman applicants. Its 296/893 (33%), not 348/893 (39%).</p>
<p>IU Kelley is way better than UMich econ.</p>
<p>Job placement from IU-Kelley and UMich-Ross is equal; however at IU, there is an undergraduate focus.</p>
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U Kelley is way better than UMich econ.</p>
<p>Job placement from IU-Kelley and UMich-Ross is equal; however at IU, there is an undergraduate focus.
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<p>Kelley and Ross equal? I don't know where you pull these jokes from, but they're not really funny. </p>
<p>Kelly has an undergraduate focus? Ok. It might be true. But do you really think at Ross, they don't give two cents about about? There's a reason why Ross is a top 3 business program, and kelley isn't. </p>
<p>Also, 80% of the kids in Kelley couldn't even get into Michigan LSA.</p>
<p>Michigan is far and away a better school than Indiana though... but obviously graduating from a top 20 Bschool is better than graduating with a degree in economics. But graduating Michigan with economics isn't a bad deal at all. And ross is far and away better than Kelley and Indiana.</p>
<p>Michigan is top 10 or 12 for Econ as well. Unlike Indiana, there isn't much of a difference between the b-school and LSA at Michigan.</p>
<p>It's kinda funny how everyone thinks that if you're not in Ross or if you don't major in Business, your degree will be useless and you won't get a job. Most people interested in Business go for an MBA anyway, for which you don't need a BBA.</p>
<p>right...i agree with you mightynick..many business jobs are held by non BBA grads...MBa is what matters, to graduate with an econ degree wouldn't hurt someone, especially when it's UMich</p>
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<p>LOL, Kelley isn't close to UMich econ and Kelley's job placement definitely isn't close to Ross. It's best that you keep these ego-soothing imaginations to yourself.</p>
<p>well i also wouldn't say IU's Kelley is worse than UMich econ...IU Kelley is ranked 16th in the nation...compared to an economics degree. I'd be happy with which ever option you gave me but I wouldn't say a bschool degree isn't even close...it migth actually be better.</p>
<p>A b-school degree is overrated. I've been to many career fairs and employers don't even care if you're in the b-school. Majoring in Economics, Math, or Statistics makes you just as well qualified for those highly coveted Finance jobs on Wall Street that most business school kids want.</p>
<p>You might ask then why do Ross kids get better jobs than Michigan Econ majors? Well, its because their career center takes on a more active role in getting their kids land internships and jobs, whereas in LSA you're on your own. I've heard from so many Ross students that you only pay the higher tuition for Ross for its career center, which lands you a job. Otherwise, getting a BBA from Ross isn't any better than getting a BA/BS in Econ in LSA.</p>
<p>Edit: They don't care more if you have an economics degree. In fact, they don't care what you majored in, as long as the classes you took have a quantitative focus and help you meet the specific job requirements.</p>
<p>so then why would they care more if you have an economics degree??</p>
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well i also wouldn't say IU's Kelley is worse than UMich econ...IU Kelley is ranked 16th in the nation...compared to an economics degree. I'd be happy with which ever option you gave me but I wouldn't say a bschool degree isn't even close...it migth actually be better.
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<p>Look at it this way, it's way harder to get into UMich econ than it is to get into Kelley. For SATs, the 75th percentile at Kelley is the 25th percentile at UMich LSA. I wasn't saying a business degree isn't close, I was saying Kelley isn't close. The fact that it is a business degree versus an econ major helps, but not THAT much.</p>
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<p>I think it definitely helps being in Ross, but you are right, I think most people overestimate just how much it helps.</p>
<p>so your saying a top bschool degree is better than umich econ..only kelley doesn't apply to that?? and isn't an economics major through LSA at michigan...so couldn't anyone who wanted to do economics pursue that?? If this is the case...then getting into Michigan is all you need to do, correct? If that's the case, well then getting into Indiana Kelley is just as hard, maybe harder than UMich LSA, which is 50% acceptance.</p>
<p>Don't let those acceptance rates fool you. UChicago has an acceptance rate of around 35%. NYU has an acceptance rate close to 34%, and Chicago is a much harder school to get into. You also have to take the caliber of students that apply into account. </p>
<p>According to one source, the acceptance rate into PSU University park was 58%. Acceptance rate of UMich was 54%. Do you really think PSU and UMich are about equally hard to get into?</p>
<p>My friend at Kelley says the acceptance rate into their b-school is around 35-40%. Acceptance rate to Ross last year was around 33%. Do you really think Kelley and Ross are equally hard to get into?</p>
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so your saying a top bschool degree is better than umich econ..only kelley doesn't apply to that?? and isn't an economics major through LSA at michigan...so couldn't anyone who wanted to do economics pursue that?? If this is the case...then getting into Michigan is all you need to do, correct? If that's the case, well then getting into Indiana Kelley is just as hard, maybe harder than UMich LSA, which is 50% acceptance.
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<p>Yes, I'm saying it doesn't apply to Kelley because Kelley isn't a top bschool. It's good, but its not one of the top. Your argument here is pretty incoherent, but I assume you are trying to say that the acceptance rate at LSA and the fact that you don't have to apply to be an econ major makes it easier to get into than Kelley. For the acceptance rate issue, refer to MightyNick's explanation above. For the application issue, the 75th SAT percentile of the students ACCEPTED to Kelley is equal to the 25h percentile of UMich LSA students. Even after the weeding out process of applications, Kelley is still left with a far less impressive student body than UMich LSA.</p>
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<p>i never said, nor would i say kelley is as hard as ross...i said kelley is as hard as michigan LSA...obviously the better the school, the better quality of applicants...but 50% is still 50%..and that's pretty lenient. Kelley admits 34%. Kelleys SAT range is 1160-1330 and LSA is 1240-1420...so you get Kelley in the SAT...but 80 points is nothing on the SAT...its like switching 5 questions from previously wrong, to correct...so w/e with that. I mean, its all a matter of preference i suppose...Kelley is not elite like Ross...but i think it holds its ground vs LSA Economics. Its ranked 16th and that does carry some weight...its ahead of GTown apparantly, tho gtwon is obviously much harder than both ross and kelley.</p>
<p>Kelley is not as hard as Michigan LSA. I know plenty of kids at IU-Kelley that all got deferred/waitlisted by Michigan LSA and chose IU. Haven't heard of a single person that got into Michigan LSA but was rejected by IU Kelley.</p>
<p>well...admissions quality might be more rigorous at michigan...that wasn't the initial argument. The argument was which is better. Kelley holds its own. Both are fine. It comes down to a much much better school with economics...or a lesser school with a very good business school...it's all personal preference i suppose.</p>
<p>I think someone should go to a school like IU-Kelley over Michigan for only three reasons - </p>
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<li>Financial.</li>
<li>The guy/girl really loves business and can't stand econ (although, I wonder why that person would want to go into business if he/she doesn't like econ)</li>
<li>The guy/girl and his/her entire family is from Ohio and absolutely hate the Wolverines. But in this case, why go to Kelley when you can go to OSU lol.</li>
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