Safeties for a Biochem major?

<p>I think I have a decent list of match and reach schools. Now, I'm searching for safeties (both acceptance wise and financially, so schools that often give good merit and need based aid are a must). </p>

<p>I'm looking for a college/university that has a strong Biochem/Chem department with opportunities for undergraduate research. I am also considering a double major in Astrophysics, simply because I find it fascinating. I plan to pursue a PhD after undergrad, so acceptance rates for grad school is also important. </p>

<p>Brief stats:</p>

<p>*4.0 UW GPA
*1/43 in my class
*A terrible 181 on the PSAT (first timed test w/ no prep)
*Will have 2 summer's worth of research by the time I apply</p>

<p>I am also looking for a place that has a truly academic feel (students that are actually interested in learning for the sake of learning). Any such places that would be classified as safeties for me? Any ideas? Oh, and if you want any other info, be sure to ask:)</p>

<p>Thanks in advance!</p>

<p>Are you a junior?</p>

<p>A safety has to be affordable…you have to know for sure that all costs are covered.</p>

<p>How much will your parents pay each year?</p>

<p>Yes, I’m am a junior. My parents can probably pay a few thousand a year (probably 3,000), but obvisiously the less they have to pay, the better.</p>

<p>Are you low income (like under $40k per year?)</p>

<p>What is your home state?</p>

<p>You probably want to use the automatic full ride scholarship list (sticky thread at the top of the financial aid and scholarships section of these forums) as a list of target SAT/ACT scores to aim for to get safeties.</p>

<p>Our income is about 70,000/ year, but everyone in my family is super into saving as much money as possible. We don’t spend any more than necessary, even if it’s on something we really want- if we don’t NEED it, it’s staying at the store. I’m originally from a Midwestern state (I really don’t want to disclose which one, sorry), and I don’t have any super awesome deals for in-state tuition. The lowest COA is about 20,000- and the largest academic scholarship they give is 2,500.</p>

<p>You gotta have that talk with the parents, OP, esp if you want anything accurate on safeties. For your parents to have to lay out only 3K and even if you lay out the max in loans each year (5500 first year), you will need close to a full ride at most private colleges. Only the poorest parents or the students who can add a 1600/36 to your 4.0 and ECs (and maybe inventing a solution to Washington gridlock) are going to see full rides. Your parents might want to pay that much, but they don’t understand the reality of college education costs. So show them a net price calculator for your big state university, have them plug in their numbers (they’ll need last year’s tax forms), and fully complete it with every possible detail, and then check out what their large state u says they must pay. This figure is the EFC, expected family contribution. Then run it for a private school that’s good at biochem and astrophysics, say, Cornell (which costs like a private if you’re oos). Schools don’t move off this EFC much, so if your parents cannot afford the EFC you’ll have to earn merit somewhere in the neighborhood of full ride or, if you can commute from home, full tuition.</p>

<p>You could reduce your total costs by attending community college and then transferring, but this raises other issues and so I’ll ignore this option. You could look at certain kinds of outside scholarships that I’ll ignore for now.</p>

<p>But if you insist on trying to to go the “college dream” route then you’ll need either a very generous grant-based financial aid package (possible because your parents are poor) OR a full ride/tuition merit package. Possible because you have a 4.0 AND a very high SAT/ACT (see above) AND great ECs. These latter two you can continue to improve, indeed, must improve.</p>

<p>So then you look at two groups of colleges: those that give out huge grant aid and those that give out huge merit aid (there are a couple hybrids: Vandy and Rochester come to mind). So look at the discussions about big grant aid schools and big merit aid schools.</p>

<p>Here’s a place to start on merit aid.</p>

<p>Best schools that give the most merit based aid</p>

<p>Automatic Out-of-State Tuition Waivers</p>

<p>Automatic Full Tuition / Full Ride Scholarships</p>

<p>Competitive Full Tuition / Full Ride Scholarships</p>

<p>You’ll quickly realize that your in-state universities have the lowest costs of attendance (and the OOS unis among the highest COA). But then look beyond their COAs to their aid; most in-state schools won’t offer much grant aid (because your taxes are holding down your tuition costs) but might offer their best applicants merit aid; and many OOS state unis will offer the best applicants outstanding merit and hybrid aid packages (some automatically!), including free rides and full tuition plus. Look esp in the south for these and at state honors colleges. These large state unis are also the schools most likely to have majors in both your fields of interest. Most of these merit scholarships are competitive and so the schools cannot be safeties.</p>

<p>But also check out the LACs for schools that offer great grant aid (the elite ones, usually, with the billion dollar endowments) or offer some full ride and full tuition scholarships. These are competitive, you can bet, so they cannot be safeties. </p>

<p>Hence the need for that talk with your parents. Good luck.</p>

<p>Aid is based on income and SAVINGS…</p>

<p>Sounds like your parents are big savers and their income is decent.</p>

<p>If you apply for aid, schools will likely compute that they expect your parents to pay more than they are willing to pay. </p>

<p>Just to get an idea, have your parents fill out the net price calculator that’s on the net price calculator. They may not want you there when they input the info, but hopefully they’ll let you see the results. Once you see how much schools will expect them to pay, you’ll need to choose your schools based on that. </p>

<p>For example, if your parents have NO SAVINGS, then likely schools will expect them to pay at least $12,000 per year based on their income (at least). If they have a good bit of savings/investments (sounds like they do), then the expectation will be greater. </p>

<p>If it’s true that they will only pay a couple of thousand, then you already know that you’re going to have an unaffordable EFC. That means that you’ll either have to commute to a local school…or apply to schools that will give you MEGA HUGE merit scholarships for your stats.</p>

<p>When are you taking the SAT and ACT? (take both!!)</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1348012-automatic-full-tuition-full-ride-scholarships-15.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1348012-automatic-full-tuition-full-ride-scholarships-15.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>But if you insist on trying to to go the “college dream” route then you’ll need either a very generous grant-based financial aid package (possible because your parents are poor</p>

<p>???</p>

<p>The OP’s parents aren’t poor. They have a good middle income and it sounds like they’re terrific savers…likely with good savings and investments. So, a school that only gives need-based aid won’t likely work.</p>

<p>Brief stats:</p>

<p>*4.0 UW GPA
*1/43 in my class
*PSAT: 181 (no prep really, I looked at a few sample questions I guess… I don’t think that really counts as prepping) earlier today, on a different thread, I said that this was also my first timed test, but then I remembered I also took the PLAN test last spring. I dug up the results and my predicted ACT is 30-32. I will be taking both the ACT and SAT for the first time this spring. I hope to beat my predicted scores (for obvisious reasons) and will be prepping accordingly.
*Will have 2 summer’s worth of research by the time I apply</p>

<p>mom2collegekids, it’s funny what gets posted while one is busy writing ;+) Sometimes I’ll post something unaware that someone else has responded ahead of me, as I did this time, and the person ahead of me will think I’m responding to what they said and confusion ensues. maybe I should limit myself to tweets. Yeah, I wouldn’t count on it.</p>

<p>well, if mom2collegekids is correct and need-based aid isn’t going to get your EFC below 20K (the COA at the state school), and your 5500 loans and the 3K your parents want to contribute isn’t enough to pay for the state school or the good grant-aid school, then you’re going to have to commute to the state school.</p>

<p>OR you’re going to have to win a full ride scholarship. if this is so, check out these threads mom2collegekids and I have suggested. a full tuition scholarship won’t help because your 5500 and your parents’ 3K won’t add up to fees, room, board, personal & travel expenses, and books anywhere I am familiar with. With your GPA, assuming it stays the same, you will have to do exceptionally well on the SAT/ACT, and maybe with those two together you can win a non-automatic scholarship offer, too. But right now your best bet is the automatic full ride scholarship. Fortunately you want a major that most schools can do or at least get you close to.</p>

<p>Control what you can control right now: the GPA and the studying for the tests. After you get test scores back and over the summer you can plan your next steps. You show a lot of maturity in starting this process early.</p>

<p>$5,500 loan + parents’ $3,000 + student work earnings $3,000 = $11,500 is probably the realistic net price limit after subtracting financial aid and scholarships from list price.</p>

<p>Some students might be able to reach about $5,000 in work earnings per year, but it may not be a good idea to stretch the budget to the limit. Work earnings might also be harder to come up with if you are not eligible for subsidized work-study (on-campus jobs prefer work-study students because the pay is subsidized through a financial aid program).</p>

<p>One problem for me is that all these net price calculators don’t necessarily work correctly because my parents also have a small business. I think the calculators specifically state that they may not be accurate in that situation… This presents a difficulty when trying to compare college costs.</p>

<p>True…</p>

<p>But in your case, just to get a MINIMAL idea of what you’d have to pay, go ahead and use them (but understand that likely your family will have to pay MORE because they have a business).</p>

<p>This way, if the MINIMAL family contributions numbers are more than your family will pay (and that’s super likely), you’ll know that those schools won’t be affordable.</p>

<p>You can compare schools that will give you ASSURED VERY, VERY LARGE merit, since those won’d depend on FA. You need to apply to a few of those schools anyway.</p>