Safety School Quandry

<p>A big problem these days is getting into State U. I've looked at UMichigan, Penn STate, UGa, UFl and those are very nice schools with everything anyone could want. I worry about the bureaucracy, the big classes, the inexperienced, terrible TA, easy to get lost, hard to find a niche, but all in all these schools have so many amenities that "having" to go there is really a luxury, and if the kid can't make it there,...well At least I tell my self this. </p>

<p>However, some of these State U's are not schools that are easy admits. You have to be in the top half of the class or better. THere are SAT cut offs. And you had better get those apps in early. Many of these schools lament and admit that legacy kids who are better risks than their parents were are being denied these days with the selectivity getting way up there. I know my old highschool friend who lives in Ga could not get her 3.5 student into UGA. With the HOPE program, many excellent students who would may have gone out of state or private, are finding that UGA is a fine choice and are going there, driving the standards up. Georgia Southern where she ended up going, is not the same thing as the State U. A former teachers' college, its retention rate, part time and non traditional student composition, suitcase college, drab weekends,large number of adjuncts and the % who graduate in 6 years leave a parent to wonder if this is the right school. Not to mention the academic resumes of the students. Yes, there are good student, motivated kids, good profs there, but it is not something that will hit you as the place for your kid to grow up though it does happen there. When you get to schools like UDelaware, it is a real problem, because there is no Southern Delaware U if you don't get into the flagship. It's community college unless you go private, and that means a car, commuting and not experienceing the college life. Both cousins of ours who did go on to UDel afterwards, did not feel they fit in as transfers, and were not well prepared for the junior year courses, something UDel readily admits often happens as the prep courses at the flagship are geared towards a higher calibre student and are more in depth, an issue in many subjects. Standards for compositions and papers are higher too. If that step is too steep, it makes failure more likely. </p>

<p>Where we live, if you are a B/C student without the funds to go away to college, it means buying a car, paying exhorbitant gas (our tax is outrageous here), high insurance, tolls. If you want a reliable car and are not mechanically minded or connected, you can't buy a clunker if you don't want to pay through the nose in repairs and unreliabilty, and possibly safety as the roads get bad in the winter. So if you are going to commute, you pretty much have to get a job too. Without the campus life, college can be pretty drab if you are not academically directed, and the statistics show that the drop out rate at the comm coll is pretty high. These kids are often the ones who can most use the stimulus that a vibrant college community can offer to make that step up. That why I am looking for a college that provides this haven until my kid grows up a litttle more, and I don't think staying at home is going to have that impact on his maturity.</p>

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Where we live, if you are a B/C student without the funds to go away to college, it means buying a car, paying exhorbitant gas (our tax is outrageous here), high insurance, tolls. If you want a reliable car and are not mechanically minded or connected, you can't buy a clunker if you don't want to pay through the nose in repairs and unreliabilty, and possibly safety as the roads get bad in the winter. So if you are going to commute, you pretty much have to get a job too. Without the campus life, college can be pretty drab if you are not academically directed, and the statistics show that the drop out rate at the comm coll is pretty high. These kids are often the ones who can most use the stimulus that a vibrant college community can offer to make that step up. That why I am looking for a college that provides this haven until my kid grows up a litttle more, and I don't think staying at home is going to have that impact on his maturity.[/q]</p>

<p>buying a car as a student is prolly one of the stupidest things i can think of( for the finanacially challenged) . the payment, the insurance, the gas and repair and other expenses. yikes.</p>

<p>If you are going to commute to school around here, unless you can get reliable rides, you have to have a car. My son took summer courses locally, that drove me nuts since I had to drive him. If he had gone there for his degree, I don't think I could drive him regularly, as college schedules tend to be irregular. My neighbors--both parents work, do not even have that option as they are not around. A car becomes a necessity in this scenario if the kid is going to go to college. No public transportation so how else is he going to get to class? Also, there is not much going on at the community college, not many options for food , it's really very much a commuter school where people tend to take their class and then leave, the majority to a job. So a car does become necessary.</p>

<p>It depends on how wealthy you are. If you are so wealthy that 200 grand does not really affect you and your financial situation, then you should go with the dream school. </p>

<p>If you hate the safety, go with the dream school.</p>

<p>However, if you like the safety, just not as much as the dream school, and 200 grand means something to you, you need to go with the full ride at the safety school. Your education will be almost as good, your job opportunities will be better (because you will be an academic star,) and you will have saved 200 grand.</p>

<p>isn't a big debate on the forum about which one is less advantageous:
being an academic star at a safety school OR being an average student at a top school?</p>

<p>Many state Us are offering quality honors programs, along with the scholarships, to attract top students in the state. At Penn State, only 300 freshman start in the honors program each year. There's a separate application process and they're very selective. Pluses are smaller classes taught by full professors, better dorms (with a learning focus), priority regitration, advisors with small loads, research opportunities, and of course, money (although not much). My son, who was accepted to a few highly ranked privates, decided to go this route. And he loves it - plus we're all saving LOTs of money. Is the program taking away resources from the other students? Not sure - they were given 50 million by the Schreyers (ex chairman of Merrill Lynch ). In any case it IS becoming a popular option. 6 top students from my son's high school went this route last year (we had as many top students go to Penn State as Penn). Still, many students consider it a safety (even the honors college LOL)- and PSU in general doesn't get much respect here in the "well to do" suburbs of Philly.</p>

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isn't a big debate on the forum about which one is less advantageous:
being an academic star at a safety school OR being an average student at a top school?

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Yes, and I think the question can only be answered on an individual level. So much of success in life relates to intangibles. Yet I will say that when I discovered that my son is the top of his class in both of his majors at our state U, I was pretty happy. :) I think it will open as many, if not more, doors for him that being average at a top private school. ( of course, this begs the question as to whether he would be tops at a top private college, and since we couldn't afford that, I guess we will never know during the undergrad years! ;) )</p>

<p>I can say, that honestly, I really really would go for the reach school.</p>

<p>A full scholarship is all good and great but I realize after one semester at my dream school that I would not have been so happy at my state school... even with a full ride.</p>

<p>The stimulation that I get at my school is amazing and I love the people. There are so many things that I've experienced at my college that I never would have elsewhere.</p>

<p>Also, I won't have to look back on this and think, wow, if only I had gone to my dream school, things might be different for me.</p>

<p>"There are so many things that I've experienced at my college that I never would have elsewhere"</p>

<p>And the question remains "how can you be so sure?" </p>

<p>See, that is the problem with finding an "answer" to the question of where to go....money or no. No one knows what would have happened if you chose the other route. We can only guess or assume.</p>

<p>musings: Is this your money you're spending, or your parents?</p>

<p>The point I was trying to make was that we all tend to rationalize our decisions, and there is no way to know how you would feel if you had taken the other road. If you are happy at your dream school, you really don't know that your would have been unhappy at your state school. If you graduate with a lot of debt, you really don't know if you would have more options without debt. If you do well with your state college degree, you don't really know if you would be in a better position with a name brand degree. This second guessing stuff is really counterproductive.</p>

<p>weenie: that was my thought too :) for musings</p>

<p>lkf725...yes...counterproductive. I know that I have stayed on this site well after my son made his decision to try and find an answer. He has never looked back. I on the other hand have taken this long to realize I will never know. I do know he is happy, having the time of his life and has awesome opportunities . I truely have to leave this site for good or I will drive myself nuts!</p>

<p>Me too, sax, me too! The only thing that keeps me here is the prospect of graduate/professional school and the fact that I have a totally different kind of kid just starting high school. Maybe I'll be a little wiser the next time around! ;)</p>

<p>Good to know Im not alone. Well, at least I learned from sticking around that the GRE is changing next year. Poor kid is getting GRE study books under the tree. hahaha...won't he be happy...not.</p>

<p>Wiser without a doubt :) Good luck with it.</p>

<p>You can't quantify it. It's like asking someone to give up their dream, imo.</p>

<p>Sure you can: preferred school = $160K. Value quantified at said amount. Unless you are very wealthy, the use of that money is taking it from some other need. Dream school > financial security? > other siblings' needs? > retirement? >professional school?</p>

<p>Believe it or not, many parents have let go of some of their own dreams to get their kids to where they are today. I know I have. The kids can give a little too.</p>

<p>i passed up a full ride at a safety school...</p>

<p>Of course, some people have given up their dreams, but I'm speaking from my experience and many others like me who are not living based off the projected thousands one could save. Will these thousands ever quantify the "what ifs"? No, they won't.</p>

<p>I'm living for now. So, yes, I could save thousands of dollars right now, but for what? I'm not sure what's going to happen tomorrow, so let me enjoy the time I'm having right now....at my dream school.</p>

<p>is university of indiana a "respected university"?
(for a full ride)</p>

<p>random...at what cost and to whom?</p>

<p>Chanman...what are the long/short term goals for your education?</p>