<p>“Props to UF for not hiding this data.”</p>
<p>I simply called and asked the admissions office for it. It took a while but they compiled it and sent me a spreadsheet. If anyone wants the entire spreadsheet that breaks the data up into “applied”, “accepted”, and “enrolled” as well as by sex, PM me and I will email you the excel file.</p>
<p>“Based on your numbers 67% of all asians who apply are accepted
Your point…”</p>
<p>My point is to report data. You can determine if it is fair, unfair or neutral. Would you prefer the data be secret?</p>
<p>If I can, I will obtain more current data and post it.</p>
<p>So…African Americans and Hispanics, on average, have lower scores on the SAT than white and Asian students. I don’t see your point? You’re assuming that the reason for the disparity in scores is affirmative action when in reality on the WHOLE African Americans and Hispanics have lower scores on the SAT (and other standardized tests) than white and Asian students. Even schools where affirmative action is not practiced will have a disparity in the average scores of their Hispanic and African American students and their white and Asian students.</p>
<p>I’m not even going to explain to you how affirmative action works, the reasons for it, (you seem to have a completely wrong idea about it) or the historical reasons and educational theories behind the reasons why certain ethnic minority groups get lower scores on standardized tests from womb to tomb. I could and I have a lot of data, too, but you seem more interested in nursing the chip you have on your shoulder about affirmative actions.</p>
<p>The point of Affirmative Action is to ‘level the playing field’…however, if after 50 years AA is still necessary, then it obviously is not working as well as intended. Also, if I were a minority, I would be embarrassed that the government feels that we need a leg up to begin with… AA in its current form is basically reverse discrimination, and is downright ridiculous. Rather than helping those who actually do need a leg up, it mostly helps the already affluent minorities who are already in strong school systems. If AA was done purely based on socio economics then I would be in full support of it, however, AA in its current form is completely flawed.</p>
<p>Mods should lock these threads before they start getting big. We all know where this is going…</p>
<p>This is Crazy</p>
<p>Its 2009, should AA really still exist in this country? This is an issue that SHOULD be discussed imo.</p>
<p>But you guys keep on rehashing the same arguments over and over again. If you want an AA discussion, there are a thousand in the archives of people making the same exact argument and examples you’re about to use.</p>
<p>I would just love to hear a sound argument as to how AA based on race is more valid than one based upon socioeconomic status…let alone how AA based on race is valid at all…</p>
<p>Hey, I’m only presenting the data. UF admissions are the ones making admissions decisions and creating an SAT chasm between races. Don’t hate the messenger, I do feel this should be talked about, debated, calmly, heatedly, whatever…but logically in the end. As tax payers, I feel our legislatures and school officials should be informed of how we feel, too.</p>
<p>By the way, I do love my GATORS…Oklahoma = Gatorbait!</p>
<p>“I’m not even going to explain to you how affirmative action works, the reasons for it, (you seem to have a completely wrong idea about it) or the historical reasons and educational theories behind the reasons why certain ethnic minority groups get lower scores on standardized tests from womb to tomb. I could and I have a lot of data, too, but you seem more interested in nursing the chip you have on your shoulder about affirmative actions.”</p>
<p>Please enlighten us.</p>
<p>“If you want an AA discussion, there are a thousand in the archives of people making the same exact argument and examples you’re about to use.”</p>
<p>Yes, but this thread has data obtained directly from admissions office of a university where AA is illegal. I’m just presenting the data in an open forum.</p>
<p>Double Post</p>
<p>and the rebuttle?..crickets.</p>
<p>tom, you have proven nothing except your distaste for AA.</p>
<p>Let me show you why you cannot just use that data to show race based affirmative action is definitely happening:</p>
<ol>
<li>URMs come on average from less advantaged households than Whites and Asians. So obviously their SAT’s would be lower if Florida practiced socioeconomic AA.</li>
<li>Average SAT’s prove little. You can only show that URMs are getting a boost if the bar is lowered. If the bar for admission is a 1000 SAT and all the URMs manage to get 1001 and all the others get a 1600 that doesn’t mean the URMs are getting a boost. They made it over the hurdle just like other ethnicities.</li>
<li>When I looked at the data for Asians I saw something really odd happening. They had higher SAT’s than whites. I wondered why this was happening and then realized oh wait how many Asians live in Florida? Oh yea, that’s right, they comprise less than 3% of the population. Due to how many Asian applicants there are it is not impossible (and is in fact very likely) that Asians were more likely to be OOS than every other ethnicity.</li>
<li>URMs are more likely to be recruited for varsity sports than Asians and perhaps even more than Whites.</li>
</ol>
<p>So if you take those four points into consideration that 137 point disparity may not be reflective of anything fishy going on in admissions. To be honest, when I first saw that data I thought it showed that AA wasn’t going on. It’s all too easy to oversimplify data to fit your agenda.</p>
<p>AA blows. I’m sick of reverse discrimination!</p>
<p>I don’t think anyone should be surprised by these numbers.</p>
<p>yay for people who interpret data so simplistically and a double yay for people getting ****ed over something they have no control over whatsoever…</p>
<p>don’t you love the internet?</p>
<p>I argue that affirmative action is not as significant as many people believe. People often reference SAT scores as proof of a great imbalance in admission standards, but this is simply one aspect of the application as many point out here on College Confidential. This point is vital in understanding how affirmative action works; the SAT is proven to underpredict success of minorities in college. </p>
<p>In order to counteract this apparent flaw in the instrument, colleges take reasonable steps to diversify and the result is the variation in scores by race of those admitted.</p>