<p>SEC (SAT Median, Fall 2008 Class)- Hopefully we can close the gap a bit with Vandy in the forthcoming years!</p>
<li>Vanderbilt- (1375)</li>
<li>Florida- (1250)</li>
<li>Georgia- (1225)</li>
<li>South Carolina (1180)</li>
<li>Louisiana State (1180)</li>
<li>Tennessee (1160)</li>
<li>Auburn (1130)</li>
<li>Arkansas (1145)</li>
<li>Kentucky (1125)</li>
<li>Alabama (1110)</li>
<li>Mississippi (1055)</li>
</ol>
<p>Is the SEC last in SAT? Thats not a very impressive. Oh well, first in football!!</p>
<p>Tom- I think you have another typo...you need to work on your proofing skills...j/k</p>
<p>You have Arkansas below Auburn with (apparently) a higher mean SAT</p>
<p>Wow, UF's admitted class was only a 1250? Damn Holistic Admissions makes me sick!</p>
<p>Garing omission:
Mississippi State - a whopping 1120 SAT</p>
<p>SSobick, there are some extremely bright students who don't have huge SAT scores.... </p>
<p>Taking into account all of a student's abilities and accomplishments is generally a good thing. I don't want to go to a university that is that stuck up about test score numbers as you are.</p>
<p>if they accept me, my 1310 will bring it UP!</p>
<p>"Taking into account all of a student's abilities and accomplishments is generally a good thing. I don't want to go to a university that is that stuck up about test score numbers as you are."</p>
<p>It doesn't matter what the current students want. It's what the alumni want that matters (these people pay the bills). Guess what we would rather be closer to Vanderbilt then UGA in terms of our SAT & ACT scores.</p>
<p>I disagree with that statement. While SAT and ACT scores are certainly not the end all be all of college admissions, I do think that they should be weighed a bit more in the UF admissions process and should carry a heavy weight in any admissions process. Most people go into the SATs realizing that the test could have a major impact on their college admissions, and as such should work that extra ten hours to bring their scores up two hundred points if they really feel that they want to get into a school with high standards. The scores show the applicants ability to persevere through a test that everyone agrees is dull and lifeless. I prefer to think of SAT scores as a matter of practicality, not smugness.</p>
<p>Bobby</p>
<p>"It doesn't matter what the current students want. It's what the alumni want that matters (these people pay the bills). Guess what we would rather be closer to Vanderbilt then UGA in terms of our SAT & ACT scores."</p>
<p>But why do those test scores mean so much to you? An ego boost? </p>
<p>I completely agree that UF should accept the best students possible. But a high SAT does not necessarily mean a good student. That means taking into heavy consideration other factors such as GPA and EC's. I'm not one of those people who thinks the SAT is flawed, or that it only tests your ability to take the test. But some bright students don't do all that well on it for whatever reason. I don't have a high SAT (relatively), but I've taken over 60 credit hours in dual enrollment courses (tough ones at that) and I had a 3.9 GPA. Isn't the point of the SAT to try and see how a student will do in college? If I can pull off an almost perfect GPA in COLLEGE courses, don't you think that's enough to prove that I can succeed in college? Don't get me wrong, not every student has the opportunity I did, and SAT scores should be taken into more consideration in those situations. All I'm saying is that a high average SAT shouldn't be the main goal. A high caliber of students should be the main goal. </p>
<p>If I were the king of college admissions, I'd set up the consideration factor like this:</p>
<p>SAT/ACT: 40%
GPA: 40%
EC's and other factors: 20%</p>
<p>But on to another issue... isn't the average SAT of the last admitted class like 1296?</p>
<p>"But on to another issue... isn't the average SAT of the last admitted class like 1296?"</p>
<p>That still not good enough. We have the children of over 18 million residents to cherry pick from, and the best we can do is a sub-1300 for the last incoming class. This is unacceptable.</p>
<p>^ Why is that unacceptable? That statement sounds incredibly arrogant. A 1300 is still relatively really high... maybe top 10% in the nation... I don't know why you're so obsessed with having a high average SAT score. I asked you in my last post, but you didn't answer. What are some logical reasons that you want the average SAT to be so high?
It might help in rankings, but it's not going to help all that much that you would want to reject good students just because they don't have a 1300+ SAT.</p>
<p>And how do you know that students with SAT scores higher than 1296 have higher GPA's in high school, which is what ultimately determines success at the college level. 2 of my son's friends with crazy high SAT scores are on academic warning at UF and failed out at FSU. Their high school gpa's were good, but not in the same class as their SAT scores. This is why UF and FSU are now leaning towards students who have rigorous course load and high GPA's. These students are generally more mature and are over achievers. I believe that it is a better indication of college success (ie, grades).There are many "geniuses" out there who wind up doing nothing with their lives. I know, I have one in my family!!</p>
<p>There are schools (think New College) for students who are truly brilliant and don't want the restrictions of grades put on them. I don't think UF wants that type of school or that type of student exclusively.</p>
<p>"A 1300 is still relatively really high... maybe top 10% in the nation"</p>
<p>More like top 5%.</p>
<p>"I don't think UF wants that type of school or that type of student exclusively."</p>
<p>South Florida alumni are taking over UF, and guess what things are changing for the better. Gainesville people should be happy that they have such a great university supporting their lousy economy.</p>
<p>double post</p>
<p>Tom, for your information, please refer to <url><a href="http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_2008_composite_cr_m.pdf">http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_2008_composite_cr_m.pdf</a></url> for SAT CR+M percentile ranks. A 1300 is the 90th percentile. We really do need a higher SAT average though, sub 1300 is a joke.</p>
<p>^ It's a joke, huh? Will one of you SAT proponents please present a logical reason why you want the average SAT to be so high? I'm not saying there aren't benefits, but this is the third time I've asked, and no one has answered. </p>
<p>I don't think you realize how arrogant that statement sounds. Basically, you're calling 90% of students in the US "a joke." Even if you don't mean it that way, that's how it comes across.</p>
<p>I'll give you a reason: UF is the flagship school, and it's not unreasonable to expect excellence. The problem as I see it is that we have the potential to have incoming classes that are statistically stronger, but out of sheer stupidity we fail to grasp this opportunity.</p>
<p>Holistic Admissions = a false sense of social justice & stupidity</p>
<p>bump to the top</p>