<p>Wow...the means for the CR and Math for genders are quite different...</p>
<p>alien---
"the secret isn't that asians are smarter.</p>
<p>it's just that there's a secret asian mafia that beats up any dumb asian who wants to take the SAT."</p>
<p>heck ya....aren't you part of it too? I've seen you around at the weekly meetings...aren't we ousting Jim Chan this week? I heard he got a B+ in English</p>
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Thank you for posting that.</p>
<p>People need to realize that different races do differently on SAT's.
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<p>perhaps on a domestic scale, but internationally that is arguable</p>
<p>the us is hardly an accurate snapshot of world demographics in any way</p>
<p>so much for the "microcosm of the world" argument... lol... Ji</p>
<p>Jim Chan didnt get a B+... it was an A-.... still, he qualifies for ousting...</p>
<p>anyways, yeah, the percentiles are depressing, i never thought that it was that bad until this year, a lot of people i grew up with (family members/friends of the family's children) just arent graduating.... yet alone getting high SAT scores... in my AP Spanish class(which seriously was Spanish for Spanish Speakers IV, but since no Anglos signed up for it, save maybe me, cause my parents only speak english/here and there of 'spanglish in the house, they just put the title, and we took the exam) i think maybe 2-4 of the 10 seniors went to college (mind you these were the "above average" latinos)... the CC... and 1 to the navy... the rest... idk, work? suprisingly our top 3 at a pretty large suburban high school are minorities, not poverty-stricken, but URMs none the less... our val is black/white, our sal's parents are colombian/panamanian, and my parents are honduran... so, go figure...</p>
<p>It put me in the top 2% for critical reading and math.</p>
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<p>Quit being racist. It doesn't make you sound any more mature.</p>
<p>Jonathan K, your ass needs to be kicked.</p>
<p>maybe john k was being sarcastic?</p>
<p>maybe he was congratulating him for exploiting the weak education system in the US, and how it generally tends to favor whites over minorites, ever think about that?</p>
<p>I don't understand how the statement "people need to realize different races do differently on SATs" is racist.</p>
<p>That is a neutral statement based on statistics.</p>
<p>how does the education system favor whites over minorities?</p>
<p>you have to realize, no matter what they told you in kindergarten, that races are not equal.</p>
<p>what you attribute to the education system being racist may in fact be a result of disproportionate poverty.</p>
<p>the solution, of course, would then be to fix the disproportionate poverty, rather than monkey with the education system.</p>
<p>treat the cause, not the effect.</p>
<p>Yeah...blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans aren't inferior. They often come from poor socio-economic situations (due to years of government discrimination) and therefore, have a much harder time performing as well as whites and Asians. I mean, the system isn't against them or anything...just the lack of funding to inner-city schools...</p>
<p>alienshards,</p>
<p>It's not about treating the "cause" or "effect" of a problem. Colleges want to increase diversity, but in doing so, they must take into account the fact that different races tend to perform differently academically. Given this data, it is quite obvious that elite schools would have a tough time admitting URM's without decreasing the standard a little bit. Diversity is intrinsically valuable. I suppose there's a sense in which admitting these disadvantaged students into prestigious schools will allow them to break the cycle of poverty. This is counteracted by the fact that wealthy URM's probably get a similar boost in admissions.</p>
<p>Hmmm.... do you think colleges would ever take a reverse-affirmative action policy and make it harder for Over-represented minorities (Asians) to get into colleges?</p>
<p>I don't think that would be fair, so I guess I don't think that affirmative action for URM's is fair either. It's not like people are making up for oppression or anything since no one applying for college today faced the "oppression". </p>
<p>And as for the socio-economic struggles, i grew up pretty poor myself; i lived in an apartment in Brooklyn. And my parents didnt force me to study that much, as is the stereotype for asian parents. </p>
<p>Also, many of the really smart URM kids i know are against affirmative-action and view it as an insult and a reason why they could be looked down upon.</p>
<p>(These are just my views, i dont mean to insult anyone and if you are insulted than u can feel free to ignore them and think of me as an ignorant incompetent...)</p>
<p>You guys need to look at the whole picture instead of just this alone. Take a look at the percent of each group living in poverty:</p>
<p>Native Americans - 24.5%
African Americans - 22.7%
Hispanics - 21.4%
Asians and Pacific Islanders - 10.2%
Whites - 7.8%</p>
<p>I hope that you can put this together and see that if a group of people have nearly 3 times more people living in poverty they will not have the same SAT scores.</p>
<p>haha, i am in the 99 in CR and 99+ M percentiles for black students, how fun.</p>
<p>yea...it just goes to show u how far behind some minority races are</p>
<p>The gap between the scores of the different races is depressing.</p>
<p>^^^particularly between african americans and asians</p>
<p>wow shocking!</p>