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<p>I know!!! Scoring a 500 on the math if you're Asian means you're in the 25 percentile, but if you're black then you're in the 75 percentile?!? That's crazy.</p>
<p>I like what Jonathan K, the 2nd poster declared:</p>
<p>"People need to realize that different races do differently on SAT's."</p>
<p>What do you guys think is the number of African Americans that get perfect scores on the SAT? I actually know one who got perfect 1600 on the old test a few years ago. I also wonder if there are years that go by without a single African American achieving a perfect score.</p>
<p>the number is probably very small. For the ones that do...Welcome to Harvard</p>
<p>Informative breakdown. 580 math mean for asians? Impressive.</p>
<p>Isn't the SAT supposed to measure intelligence?</p>
<p>Another thing to realize is that not all students take the SAT--only those who consider themselves college-bound.</p>
<p>about the quote people keep mentioning, "people need to realize that different races do differently on SAT's"</p>
<p>well, its true, according to this data. there isnt an implication of inferiority necessarily (you could also say that the amount of crime goes up in an inner city when the number of police goes up, which can lead you to think its possible for extra police to be commiting the crimes). the thing is, we need to get to the bottom of the statistics, there will be no punching in the face, we just need to think of why these kids are generally doing worse on this standardized test. ok?</p>
<p>so all you genius SAT takers out there (who may or may not be URM), any conceived reason for one race to typically do worse than another?</p>
<p>as someone said earlier, it probably has to do with who is taking the test. with large percentages of the native american, hispanic american (excuse my use of the term) and blacks in poverty, it is no wonder that the mean of the scores is brought down.</p>
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<p>the SAT is supposed to predict freshman grades, but i dont think it does that well either.</p>
<p>Well, i wonder whether colleges take this into account? If so, i think it's EXTREMELY UNFAIR. I mean, although most Asians are at the top percentile, that does NOT mean EVERY asian is top-scorer. You know what, in my country- an East Asian country-, a score of 2100 would make you proud!!! You see, not all Asians are Chinese, Indian or Korean (sorry, I'm not trying to be racist but as far as I'm concerned, students from those countries often get scores which i can't even dream of!!!). Hence, prejudice of "the Asian top-scorers" is not fair (of course, life is not fair). May be we do better on the Math sections but how about the CR and the Writing sections? We're just ESLs and we do not have chances to read, to speak, to use, to listen to English everyday like u guys. It's quite ironic that American students complain that Asians do better than them on a test created by Americans!!!!!
Okay, maybe I'm a little too bitter, but I hope this post would wipe the Asian prejudice out of your mind (and of the colleges' admission officers, too)!!!</p>
<p>um ok @ loser....</p>
<p>many asians are priviledged enough to afford SAT classes and a bunch of SAT tutors. Have you considered that this may be raising their score? In my city, there must be 100 SAT centers all owned by asians and mostly attended by asians. you asians are so hard working.*(mostly)</p>
<p>This is old but...98th percentile...**** yeah.</p>
<p>I laugh at everyone who is so politically correct "oh it favors whites, oh black kids just dont get the opportunities"</p>
<p>what the hell ever. they dont take the opportunities they are given seriously.</p>
<p>being poor makes you stupid eh? didnt get that one. im poor and go to a school that lacks funding and is over half black and yet i still make a 31 on the act..something is wrong with the logic here.</p>
<p>futurexreject I feel you. There are so many SAT preps around my area and most of the people that attend there are Asian.</p>
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<p>Not a very wise thing to say. Umbrella statements (especially those enveloping an entire race) are generally false.
I'm sure I don't speak for all black folk, but (myself included) there are plenty who both work hard and don't claim to be entitled to anything. I'm in a place where lots of minorities (and non-minorities) take their opportunities very seriously.</p>
<p>As far as the SAT discriminating amongst classes, I think anyone that can afford to buy the prep book (or can find one at a library) has a decent shot unless their public schooling was unsatisfactory. A legitimately bad public school is a legitimate disadvantage.</p>
<p>Well even for asians.... 800 is still 99 and 97th percentile.
Proving that its not exactly easy for any race. </p>
<p>It all has to do with culture. Asians naturally gravitate towards academics. You have to admit that most asian students do. It's just traditional. </p>
<p>I frankly do see a handful of African-American kids who care at my school though, yet still don't do as well as the top Asians in my school. Why? because they don't have access to as much information, as soon. But many other Asians can't get their scores either. </p>
<p>The rest of the black kids at school... honestly, they couldn't care less about SAT percentiles, much less how they rank.
It is their "fault"...they just do not care about getting a high score on the SATs.
It has very little to do with the way the test is written. It doesn't really matter what test they are taking. If it's not a priority then they are just not going to do as well. end of story.</p>
<p>academic performance= educational opportunity + genetic/inherent ability + cultural emphasis on education</p>
<p>socioeconomic status can influence the above factors a lot, but there are plenty of examples of high-scoring poor people and, of course, low-scoring rich people. You can't attribute everything to wealth.</p>
<p>In my school, which is about half black 1/4 white and 1/4 hispanic, there are lots of very intelligent african americans with great GPAs, but for some reason the white people (even with lower GPAs) do better on the SAT. I don't really understand why this happens. It's not a rich/poor thing, and I don't really see low self-confidence happening in my school, because black people do well on school tests, just not SAT reasoning tests. Any idea why? Have there been studies on this?</p>
<p>oh, and in my opinion, if they're going to implement affirmative action, they should do it across the board, which means holding higher standards for asians. Honestly i don't see the difference between accepting an underqualified black kid on account of race and rejecting an overqualified asian on account of race. Either way, youre tipping the scales.</p>
<p>I read an article somewhere that compared white and black SAT takers (both with same incomes), and the black ones still scored lower. Probably the many years they have experienced deprived from an education(slavery) has generally made the race indifferent to studies. Most African parents do not care about their children's place in the academic hierarchy, while the parents of other races stress it a lot.</p>