SCEA Yale or ED Columbia?

<p>Hi all, just looking for some advice, please:</p>

<p>I'm trying to decide where I want to apply early in the fall. I am an Asian American female looking to major in engineering (unsure which kind yet)</p>

<p>What I liked about Columbia:
- Contained campus, kind of made me think of it like a small, green "haven" inside of New York City. It had a lot of different looking buildings; I liked the marble steps and tall libraries, but also the glass science building.
- engineering school was relatively large (compared to Yale), and I also visited their civil engineering building, and saw an ongoing test on bridge cables, their huge centrifuge and other lab rooms. It looked really up to date and impressive, although I will definitely admit I don't know a lot about equipment and such
- I am interested in engineering and science/math stuff, but I still like English, art and humanities, etc. So, the core curriculum would help ensure that I can still take some classes that aren't engineering
- I felt happy and excited there once I put foot on campus</p>

<p>What I liked about Yale:
- THE RESIDENTIAL COLLEGE SYSTEM. i loved loved loved it. I really felt the playful college pride when all the tour guides would say, "I'm in Berkeley college, you know, the best one" or "Hi, I'm in Silliman College, the REAL best college" I love the sense of community involved with Master's Teas and study breaks. I also hear that their dorms are really nice
- The campus is gorgeous. It's relatively spread out and the buildings are so pretty.
- As an engineering major, I know that I would have access to awesome liberal arts classes</p>

<h2>- unlike at Columbia, I didn't really realize it at first, but later I remembered Yale and really really liked it</h2>

<p>What makes me question Columbia:
- Ideally, the college I can go to would have a lot of school spirit. But from what I've read here online, sometimes Columbia students do their own thing, which is understandable, what with NYC a step away. The result is that they don't have as much of a blatant school pride</p>

<p>What makes me question Yale:
- Their small engineering school. I know, so many people on collegeconfidential argue for both sides of Yale's engineering. The small student:faculty ratio could kind of hamper engineering team work, but you also get to know your professors really well. But how up to date is Yale's engineering? I saw their labs, which were nothing like Columbia's, and their engineering building seemed kind of neglected and dark
- the description on Yale's website and what I remember from the college tour, to me, portrayed an education that was sometimes geared more towards people who weren't planning on taking a career in engineering. Doesn't that affect people who are set on engineering?</p>

<p>So until about yesterday, I had been thinking that I was going to apply Early Decision to Columbia. But I really wished there was a Yale with Columbia Engineering; the only reason I didn't want to apply to Yale was because their engineering is too small. But now that I've read so many different opinions, I'm not really sure on what I think about it anymore.</p>

<p>Now, I'm leaning towards Yale SCEA.</p>

<p>I admit I am a ranking freak. (Yale is ranked among happiest students! I want to be happy while suffering with engineering studies!) Maybe that's not a good way to look at it, but prestige and rankings matter to me. Both Columbia and Yale are kickbutt schools, and I'd be happy to get into either of them. But I'm afraid that by applying Yale SCEA, I may get rejected and then also get rejected from Columbia regular. Or maybe applying to Columbia ED will tie my hands. There's also a thread somewhere talking about how Yale SCEA it's too easy to get lost among Harvard and Princeton applicants, and how you should wait until regular so you can stand out more.</p>

<p>Advice? Thanks so much</p>

<p>Additional info: I plan on going to grad school. I strongly disliked MIT.</p>

<p>Sorry for such a long post! But I hope it helps some people</p>

<p>If it’s really a toss-up, I guess I’d say Yale SCEA. If you apply to Columbia ED and get in, you have to go there. That means excluding all other schools, including Yale.</p>

<p>I was dead set on doing Columbia ED up until about this time last year (I thought it would be easier to get into and I didn’t want to give up the chance to go to an Ivy). Needless to say, I didn’t and I couldn’t be happier! </p>

<p>Columbia and Yale were my top two choices and I was fortunate enough to get into both (Columbia regular decision and Yale SCEA). I think giving myself time to visit and ask specific questions at each campus was a much more effective way to decide between the two than reading CC (which helped a lot too).</p>

<p>I have a lot of friends who chose Yale over MIT/Columbia SEAS/Harvard/Princeton/Stanford (schools that are considered to be more techy) for similar reasons that you cite: the fun atmosphere, etc… so go with your heart regarding this!</p>

<p>I would say Yale SCEA unless you are really set on Columbia. If that’s the case, then do Columbia ED. But, if you are unsure, I’d do Yale SCEA because it is non-binding.</p>

<p>As others have said, if you’re not sure at this point it may make sense to do Yale SCEA and then Columbia RD.</p>

<p>Columbia SEAS is probably a better place to study engineering because it has a much larger community of students- which helps in terms of making friends with similar interests, working on homework assignments, in labs and design projects, etc. Also Columbia SEAS departments are larger and have a broader range of research interests (the Yale faculty is excellent but significantly less in number). Not sure if it’s a deciding factor, but Horst Stormer, the 1998 Nobel Laureate in physics at the age of 49, teaches a class to Columbia engineering seniors every year. </p>

<p>Overall, Yale has a far more cohesive campus community and a smaller engineering program will likely make classes less anonymous and competitive than Columbia. </p>

<p>They are both great options, you can’t really go wrong with either. If you’re a “rankings freak”, obviously Columbia is much higher but in terms of tangible differences to an undergrad, there probably isn’t much separating the two.</p>