<p>Just wondering what the sage and experienced members here feel the impact of Single Choice Early Action is on athletic recruiting process?</p>
<p>Does it accelerate or compress the timeline so that the majority of LLs are issued well before the Nov 1 SCEA application date? Does it lessen the number of LLs actually given as Oct and Nov aren't that much earlier than the 12/15 SCEA notification date? Does it change how a coach may ask a recruit to apply ? (< for example, at PU or HU until yesterday vs how it has been at Yale who already had SCEA)? Does it preclude much RD recruiting? Do coaches have separate concrete slots for RD recruiting versus SCEA timing recruiting (I heard that was true with ED schools such as Dartmouth -- coach had X number of slots for ED and Y number of slots for RD)?</p>
<p>Specifically regarding yesterday's news, do you predict any effects on athletic recruiting process, timelines and Likely Letters issuances AT Princeton or Harvard given their decision to add SCEA?</p>
<p>As usual, thank you in advance for your thoughts and advice! Enjoy your day :)</p>
<p>I dont think it will make much of a difference for those athletes with interest from more than one school. Previously, most of the EA/ED schools wanted the likely letter recipient to apply ED/EA. THis meant that the decision as to which LL to accept and where to apply had to be made by November 1, even the athlete were interested in Harvard or Princeton. In other words, the deadline for the other schools effectively moved up the deadline for Harvard and Princeton. As the deadline for other schools has not changed, the logic still remains.</p>
<p>SCEA doesn’t affect your LL issues at all…
What it does impact is if you apply to any safeties…during the fall …while applying restricted/SCEA w/ your recruitment,
the safeties can only fit within the state school/rolling parameters…
Meaning you can’t submit to Yale SCEA as a recruit for a LL and Harvard or where ever else EA. You will use up your EA app with that one SCEA.
You can apply to others RD.</p>
<p>In our scholar-athelete’s case, the coaches were bringing kids in during the first weeks of Sept and were done by the first week of Oct…
then the slots were offered, app was sent with all essays, LOR etc via CommonApp system and LL arrived before Nov 1…</p>
<p>FWIW, The app had been read in July, with scores, EC resume, full transcript etc. Then a second pre-read was done in Sept for the coaches to get a cleared picture from admissions on who was admittable…all recruits had to have over 700 per section, etc… In October, the admissions cmte met, read the essays, reviewed LORs etc to be sure they didn’t miss anything in the pre-reads.</p>
<p>thank you both for your thoughts & experiences.</p>
<p>specific to PU & HU, I had heard of LLs being issued after Nov 1… well into December. Do you think with their new SCEA that now that will be a rarity as I assume the coach will just ask recruits to apply SCEA by Nov 1? Would they even bother to issue a LL as the official Admissions letter comes by 12/15 in SCEA?</p>
<p>Does this mean there are likely zero recruiting spots for RD? at most Ivies?</p>
<p>I was excited to hear about PU’s SCEA, but now I am unclear how this new SCEA will effect the recruiting process I was JUST starting to understand thanks to all of you and my great PM pal, lol!</p>
<p>most recruiting happens before the early deadline, and that includes H and P. However, if you are a top recruit and you don’t feel ready to make a decision most people will hang with you… but I wouldn’t chance it. </p>
<p>To answer your question about SCEA LL’s, you’re going to get one even if the deadline is soon after. Giving you a likely letter makes it so that you won’t freak and run away, or get a LL from someone else. And LL’s start being issued on Oct. 1st, so again, Nov. 1 wouldn’t have arrived and you would be in </p>
<p>To the question of RD spots - they exist, but in small amounts. Some coaches push ED/SCEA applicants into the RD round because of their AI, but some of those spots are for people who’s other promises didn’t come through. For example, I was part of a disaster this year (you can PM to find out more), and then Brown picked me up right after. However, this changes every year - I know that Harvard finished early as did some other schools, but again - different every year. hope this helps!</p>
<p>If I’m thinking this thorough properly, (it is Friday after 5:00)I think it may reduce some potentially stressful recruiting situations. If the athlete has an ED or EA school pushing for a decision by 11/1, but H or P is taking their sweet time - this will tend to put everyone on the same timetable.</p>
<p>bruno is correct here.
there are recruits who get swept away with the flattery and tell coaches they need to see all the schools, etc…and do too many OVs…only to find the coaches move on…</p>
<p>Consider it like muscial chairs…when u find a chair you like…“sit in it”…and commit if the coaches ask for a commitment.
If you aren’t sure…you are risking that chair so to speak…as the coaches will work to fill their rosters…So really carefully considering the schools before your OV is important. They are different - and there is no way you will “love” them all the same…</p>
<p>Recruits are teenagers with potential and there are more recruits that slots…very rarely is there a recruit who is “all that” where a coach will hold a slot for weeks and weeks while the kid does other OVs…</p>
<p>H and P doing EA again wont really affect the LL process since the recruits will in all likelyhood get LL like the Yale recruits do–so that they can relax til Dec 15 arrives.</p>
<p>My two cents…I don’t think it will change much in the grand scheme of things except for those that are predisposed to H or P or possibly if H or P is a choice between BCCDPY. It brings H and P back into the modern day reality that they must compete for top students otherwise why change at all. I don’t see it changing the Ivy athletic recruiting timetable at all.</p>
<p>In fogfogs (great) Ivy athletic recruiting analogy of musical chairs, it would be best to sit in a chair if one is offered a chair and one likes the chair more than the other chairs. Supply and demand is not in the Ivy athletic recruit’s favor, and it can be poker game that one is playing against the house. The house usually wins.</p>
<p>I think this policy could impact kids from states like mine- rectangular, western and really naive about how the Ivies and recruiting works. A surprising number of academically and athletically qualified students don’t realize the game is over in October: some of them are just waking up to the fact that they could be looking at these schools, and they’ve just gotten around to taking the SAT IIs and filling out prospective athlete forms. </p>
<p>I don’t think this is the problem of the Ivies: the timeline is pretty easy to figure out if you do a little digging and asking, and all the schools having the same deadline helps simplify things. However, I do think a lot of kids who are late to the party are going to find that all the seats are filled. This year I know a couple of athletes still making January visits to Ivies. I wonder if those will even exist under the accelerated schedule.</p>
<p>At least for H, I think it will increase the number of likelies they can give out in the early round. When S was recruited, I remember the coach saying he was hamstrung by the RD-only policy, could only issue a very small number of likelies in the fall and lost athletes to schools that had ED/EA as a result.</p>
<p>I think Princeton will benefit also. DD was told a LL from PU was “highly likely” back in October after her official visit and pre-reads but the thought of having to wait until April 1 for the “real deal” was too scary for her (and us). </p>
<p>Hearing “officially” in mid-December from her first choice Ivy (with LL in hand since mid October) was a huge stress releaver!</p>
<p>We wonder if Princeton had had EA/ED this year if it would have changed her mind???</p>
<p>well said FenwaySouth…
there have been a few recruits along the way who have thought they held stronger cards and didn’t realize it is always in the house’s favor/house wins…
We told our scholar-athlete—to research consider schools before the OV and
if on an OV you like the chair–sit in the chair if invited…
so our kiddo committed/sat in the chair (before the music stopped) at the OV…which was a blessing.</p>
Exactly. DS went the LL route at Princeton before CC had this forum. Despite assurances from P admissions and coach, the wait for the real deal was long and stressful.</p>
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