School in the 2020-2021 Academic Year & Coronavirus (Part 1)

Ugh. Just found out that my kids’ school will absolutely be teaching remotely next YEAR. They may or may not allow some portion of the student body back on campus to live, but it looks like at most 40%. (No clarity until July whether that means freshman and athletes, freshman and seniors minus internationals and immunocompromised, or what). But with only 5-40% living on campus, clearly extracurriculars won’t be happening (at least in any remotely appealing way…Zoom ECs do not count in my book). Living on campus sounds depressing anyway, all singles and common areas closed off. Eating dinner alone in your single bedroom, where you attend class via Zoom sounds soul-crushing. My kids have MUCH better lives at home right now, as “essential workers” mingling (with masks) with the people.

Just a little background, I teach on campus and am 50 years old. I am happily going back to teach on campus in the fall (with masks and social distance). I wish all of my kids’ healthy, less-than-60-year-old professors would teach in person, with precautions (and with choice).

I know some on this forum have sounded disdainful when they refer to “the experience” of residential college, as if they are just imagining fraternity parties. But to me, the “experience” is probably a better education than the classes are. The ECs include everything from teams designing and then actually building wells for clean water in 3rd world countries in Engineers without borders, to writing or otherwise participating in ridiculously professional-caliber-level plays, to building drones for competitions, to truly impactful student government initiatives, to healthcare ECs to amazing journalism opportunities, to yes, fun stuff. The best aspect of the education at my kids’ school comes from learning and mingling with amazing peers. Yes, the professors are awesome!! The course material fantastic and important. But literally that part of the education is less than 25% of their education there. So limiting their education to remote learning is utterly devastating to me. I am fully aware that there are many commuter students in America who do not benefit from all of these extracurricular opportunities, no need to remind!! But to me, the vast majority of education occurs on-campus but outside the classroom, despite my respect (as one who teaches, no-less) for the teaching!

So, why the rant? Sorry, I needed to vent, as this is new, depressing information to me. I guess I’m looking for a little sympathy? Is their life over? No!! Other people had college interrupted due to war—believe me, I do have the ability to put this in perspective. I’ll probably get over it soon. But right now I’m sad to hear this.

Plus, I am about to start a major search on gap year options. Pretty sure I’m going to recommend my kids not go to school next year. They have already clamored for this. One blessing with my kids’ school; they do not limit and in fact encourage unlimited gap years with no bad repercussions. Quick google search showed that already a bunch of countries such as beautiful Croatia are allowing American tourists; Europe is now opening up to other European tourists and are likely to take Americans by sometime in the fall. Lots of cool things to do domestically. Just saw more sections of Appalachian Trail are open and loads of national parks. Opportunities to volunteer as contact tracers or other key roles to help with Covid or BLM. Not sure which way I’ll point them. But they themselves have expressed incredible unhappiness at the thought of remote learning next year, and I will support them in seeking alternatives uses of their time. Oh boy, sorry for posting this long message. Probably should buy myself a journal. But thought maybe it would be interesting (?) for some to hear how disappointed people can be at the thought of remote instruction this fall. Just crushing. Waaaaaaaah.

It would make more sense if frosh year rather than junior year were the year at home (or with the option to frosh year courses at a local community college), since colleges’ academics generally become more differentiated at upper levels.

Sort of like the “guaranteed transfer option” that some applicants to some colleges get?

@Debbeut that NYT article was posted on this thread this morning. It’s basically a psychologist saying teenagers don’t make good decisions. We all know that. He gives no specifics about how colleges will plan for keeping kids on the same page to follow the rules.

@EmptyNestSoon2 I’m surprised that more parents aren’t having the reaction you’re having. Without taking a position on whether your kids’ schools are making the right choices, I agree that the choices they are making will make their colleges less appealing.

Harvard has over 1500 in a class, so to keep with the stated goals of under 2500 on campus, it likely is 1 class, plus the 600 needy students currently on campus, plus some athletes. My guess is seniors come back.
I too am wondering why it would be so hard to do some classes in person. There are a lot of young junior faculty there.

I sympathize with you! Thank you for the thoughtful post that put into perspective what alot of us on here have not been able to so well articulate.

Greece and Portugal area also open to American tourists!

Did someone post this already? If not, here it is. If so, here it is again:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/opinion/coronavirus-college-safe.html

@“Cardinal Fang” third time it’s posted. Not super relevant. Just saying what we already know - that teenagers don’t make great decisions sometimes. The author has absolutely no info at all on the plans colleges have been working on for months. Just says “nope, young people won’t be able to do that.”

It doesn’t matter what the colleges’ plans are if the students won’t follow them.

Laurence Steinberg is a no nonsense guy. Look him up on YouTube. There is a 9 years old 9 minute long video of his interview that is the best thing ever said on american education. Don’t let the click bity title scare you off.

@TheVulcan I just don’t think his OpEd says anything everyone doesn’t already know about teenage brains.

Plus, he doesn’t comment on any of the colleges’ plans which he can’t until we really see plans. Only a handful have very specific plans available. I’d like to give him Bowdoin’s plan when it becomes available. Or Bates’ plan. They are saying that the mental health of the students is important and are working to create plans that will keep kids engaged with academics and extracurriculars. Not everything will be remote. If colleges can create ways to make sure students can still connect then they have a better chance of selling their plan to them.

Curious what you mean by “high maintenance” colleges?

Has anyone seen this weekend’s pictures of the bars in Manhattan, the beach boardwalks in California, or the amusement park in Orlando? There seem to be many 25-45 year olds who also do not follow good practices.

Where’s it say that at Harvard, all classes are remote?

Plenty of people on this thread are saying students can’t, won’t, shouldn’t have to do “that,” whatever the current that is. We went from hybrid classes to in person classes in a nanosecond. From “of course we’ll wear masks and social distance” to squabbling over how much social distancing is truly necessary.

Every time a college comes out with a plan parents are right there to say why it’s not fair, not what they signed on for, and not giving them their money’s worth. Students freely admit to ignoring any rules not actively enforced.

Why should we assume students will do what parents are actively saying they object to and students admit they won’t do anyway? “We’ll agree to what colleges want as long as they let us go back” isn’t the same as doing what colleges want, and students know it.

It was in today’s announcement of their plan and 3 options. Post 6927

@EmptyNestSoon2 My 23-year old told me today that Sicily is offering to pay 1/2 of airfare to visitors in the Fall. She thinks they will pay for 1 in 3 hotel nights, too. They have her attention.

Although my S20’s university has announced it will be doing the hybrid-thing with kids on campus this Fall, I urged my son to strongly consider a gap year. Not a single neuron fired on that one. No way, no how. Not gonna happen. I loved my four years of undergrad. I want him to have four full years of that kind of experience. Not 3.

Unless a gap year involves hanging with Wayne Gretzky, not flying around here. Give me some better ideas.

Sorry to hear this news, I agree it’s a bummer. In our house it’s ok to mourn these losses, because they are losses. And yes, we will all rebound and move on, and focus on things we can do.

Wanted to respond with another gap year idea, apparently Costa Rica is going to open their borders soon and some gap year programs are on…both full semester,

http://www.outwardboundcostarica.org/gap-year-semester-courses/

…and shorter trips like this 10 day one around Thanksgiving: http://www.outwardboundcostarica.org/gap-year-semester-courses/

@cypresspat - I’m right there with you. D20 is adamant about not taking a gap year. I respect her attitude of wanting to play the hand she was dealt but at the same time I can’t help thinking about the cost.

Re: Harvard’s Choice 3 - allow all students back who want to come back in person. For those of you who may know about where testing is at this time, is the ability to do ~2700 tests a day feasible in the next few months? Perhaps they are looking at the breath tests (forgot the official name) vs PCR tests? Pinging @BunsenBurner

Option 3 -
To be viable, this pathway requires that Harvard be able to execute high-volume, high-cadence testing, delivering as many as 8,000 tests every two to three days that can be collected in sites across campus

News story on where Mass is currently-
Fewer people are getting tested for COVID-19 in Massachusetts. In the last week, the numbers dipped to less than 5,000 viral tests statewide on three different days. Antibody testing is also on the decline, recently to less than 1,000 tests a day.

Despite those numbers, Baker is standing by his ambitious goal of increasing viral testing capacity to ** 45,000 tests a day by July 31st and 75,000 tests a day by the end of December.**

https://www.wcvb.com/article/number-of-daily-covid-19-tests-in-massachusetts-declines-despite-increase-in-testing-capacity/32829565

If Baker has this goal, perhaps the colleges will be encouraged to help meet it.