<p>-and the school should have a 28 in the mid 50 pct of ACT spread.</p>
<p>so need a list of of good schools that are less than 10-15,000 students, and have a good engineering program along with other offerings - not just science / engineering - in case the student changes his mind about engineering?</p>
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<p>College Board seems like a good place where you can provide these variables and get the names of schools that meet your criteria. Perhaps US News. Don’t forget to apply to your state school as well as these days everyone needs a financial (and hopefully academic) safety school; unless it is UCB, UMich, or maybe UIUC/Wisc, you will likely get in.</p>
<p>yes, son will apply to the state school, UIUC, and possibly similar UW-MAD; but am looking for other alternatives that are not as big - but near as good as UIUC in CS / ENGINEERING.</p>
<p>College board gives me ‘tennessee tuxedo U’, eg, and does not give an <em>evaluative</em> list (‘good’ ones).</p>
<p>Iam trying to find the recent USN Engineering list of best colleges engineering highest degree = masters - all 50 of the entries . SOmeone posted it , but I cannot find it. i bought the mag, but I cannot find it either:)</p>
<p>Cornell, U. Penn, M.I.T., Harvey Mudd, UVA, Stanford Princeton, Harvard, Yale (H and Y are not as well “known” for engineering but have exceptional students and a lot of money) are smaller but are almost as strong/stronger as/than UIUC. Otherwise size compromise likely means a quality compromise.</p>
<p>Also, Illinois Institute of Technology, Worcester Polytechnical Institute, Rochester Institute of Technology. WPI, IIT, RIT, RPI probably will give your S merit aid if he has good stats. IIT has the prestigious full-ride Camras scholarship.</p>
<p>thanks for getting back. HYPS and those others are out due to the 28 ACT. RPI, IIT, etc are out since they are do not offer other majors in case ENGineering does not work out.</p>
<p>Am looking for peers of the likes of … Villanova, Bucknell, Lehigh, U of Rochestor? (matches), or for safeties, BRadley, Valpo. </p>
<p>THey have a full suite of offerings and a 28 ACT matches. Can consider something that is slightly above the 28 ACT since my son’s other stats are in the 98pct ile (4.8 wt, 8/340, 10 APs, strongest rigor of sched from 9-12th grade, decent sub pub chicago HS). </p>
<p>NU might be close to the ideal but for its selectivity, size, regard of its engineering pgm as well as the strength of its other offerings in case he needs to change. Its smaller size also allows for easier movement across and within colleges. However, it is a classic reach for him. HYPS et al are lotteries, the next echelon up, basically out of reach, but who knows?</p>
<p>Tell him he needs to retake the ACT/take the SAT.</p>
<p>Alfred University.- fantastic ceramic engineering program. very small university, but also has business school and liberal arts, art in addition to engineering school. very small town, but lots to do on campus.</p>
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Practice and retake the ACT. The ACT is quite a coachable exam and with practice his score can rise to 32+, in which case UIUC would be almost a lock-in and Northwestern would also be a strong match. Honestly, it takes a lot of work but my sAT score rose 250 points (to something quite respectable) between two retakes. And this makes the whole profile a LOT more competitive.</p>
<p>Bradley and Valparaiso are not really peers of the other… a tier down but they are still good enough for Engineering. Bucknell and Villanova are solid (Stanford president is from Villanova btw). I can’t think of too many schools good for engineering which are that small. UVA is the only one that comes to mind that your S would be very competitve for. With a higher ACT, Cornell comes into picture as well. </p>
<p>What about Carnegie-Mellon University, Tufts University (Medford, MA), University of Rochester, Tulane University, or Drexel University?</p>
<p>By the way, size likely doesn’t matter as much as one would think. I am at a smaller school and classes here aren’t really that small and intimate.</p>
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<p>Which one do you reckon is in a higher class than the other?</p>
<p>here are some links…</p>
<p>bucknell and villanova satisfies our criteria since, LT 10-15K, you can optionally get an econ or acctg degree there, is well regarded in ENG, and is not in the humid south (I forgot about that criterion - son no likee hot and humid places) . The other places listed in the links do not satisfy these criteria.
<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-engineering[/url]”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-engineering</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-computer[/url]”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-computer</a></p>
<p>I 'd like to see the expanded list, but I cannot find it. I actually just found my magazine entitled ‘2010 edition’ usnr best colleges. might be last yrs.</p>
<p>for the colleges where a masters is the highest, I’ll try to go down the list and cite the ones that satisfy the criteria (as far as my limited knowledge goes)…</p>
<ol>
<li>bucknell</li>
<li>Villanova</li>
<li>Swat - (but a reach)</li>
<li>rowan U ???</li>
<li>Union college </li>
<li>kettering university , Mi ???- is this a tech school?</li>
<li>Lafayette, PA</li>
<li>San Jose state , CA how big, wide offerings??? (CA has a dry heat, so may ok 
)</li>
<li>santa clara U , Ca ??? same question as above</li>
<li>smith college, ma (girls only???)</li>
<li>gonzaga, wa</li>
<li>loyola marymount, ca</li>
<li>miami University-oxford, ohio - how big?</li>
<li>U colorado -= colorado springs</li>
<li>u of SD, ca</li>
<li>valpo, IN</li>
<li>Bradley</li>
<li>U POrtland (OR) - how big?</li>
<li>Ohio Northern U , OH - how big?</li>
<li>ST Louis U, StLouis - gettingm uggy down here; prolly oiutahere</li>
<li>U Mich, dearborn - how big??</li>
<li>boise state, ID - how big</li>
<li>Cal state U - long beach, ca - how big?
manhattan collehe, ny - wide array, big?</li>
<li>seattle U , wa, big?</li>
<li>U mass - dartmouth - how big?</li>
</ol>
<p>Of course he ‘should’ get a 32 - but I am not taking that fun little exercise. After all, you design a bridge in 3 hours - NOT! 
He’s going after it again in Oct., but he has tried already </p>
<p>I have developed a saying</p>
<p>plan for your safeties
dream your reaches</p>
<p>,… I guess the rest might be ?
…cross your fingers for your matches?</p>
<p>this is why we are looking for ‘peers’ of bradley and valpo.</p>
<p>He is also looking at the big schools, too, w/ classic ENG pgms. But I wanted to see what else is out there as other options. When I asked him what, if any, were any issues or negatives with UIUC, our home UNI, he said, ‘big’, and ‘culture’ (he’s extra studious and has been called a ‘leader in the classroom’ by every one of his teachers, including in the soft subjects such as spanish and english; so when this default common sense option is so big that the prof needs binoculars to see a student, or you have to wade through “the help’s” (TA’s) English skills, well, let’s see what other options there might be out there). He’d adjust well enough, I bet. </p>
<p>But at app time, the time we are at now, now is the time cast the net to see other options in relief of each other.</p>
<p>Has he tried the SAT? I think it might be worth a shot.</p>
<p>How about Syracuse or Marquette?</p>
<p>Booooooo…</p>
<p>You need a school with like 45,000+ students. With only 10,000 to 15,000 students, how will keep one girlfriend from knowing about the other? With 45,000+ students, you can have 2 girlfriends on campus and they will never meet in life.</p>
<p>Second the Marquette suggestion, or St. Louis University. University of Illinois in Chicago is worth looking at, too, as a safety.</p>
<p>michigan tech</p>
<p>can you get a degree in economics or maybe acctg if you want at michigan tech ?</p>
<p>can you take an anthro class?</p>
<p>They have economics, accounting, and anthropology majors. If you want a small and quiet campus along with the perks of the outdoors, it’s the place to be.</p>
<p>by jove, you bagged one from my tortured criteria. thanks. It is number 64 in the phd granting colleges, too - hey, there a lot more that are not even ranked. My son could go fishing after school, too.</p>
<p>any more , anyone?</p>
<p>I’d be willing to ratchet it up to a 30 in the mid 50.</p>
<p>looks like most major in ENG; other majors are not on the map.; amazing that they would host the resources for the other majors given the distribution of majors shown in the link below.</p>
<p><a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board;
<p>So you want a max ave of 28, not a minimum average of 28?
Well, you can look up the stats yourself, but consider if you want small & good:</p>
<p>Case Western
Colorado School of Mines
Missouri S&T (Rolla)
Maybe Cal Poly SLO (a little too big & it would depend on the type of engineering)
New Mexico Tech
Lehigh</p>
<p>yes, it is very engineering orientated. I highly recommend you visit before you commit though. It’s a really nice location, but you have to go there to realize how quaint and isolated (relatively) it is. Also, you have to consider the winters. Applying is easy, and free, but like I said, if admitted, I suggest visiting.</p>