<p>Someone suggested Cornell (which in any case may not meet your geographic criteria) and Georgetown (which meets your criteria) as matches. Georgetown is a mid-reach and possibly a high reach. Cornell is a high reach for most everyone.</p>
<p>My observation is that at Penn and at equally selective colleges the notion “of laid back students” rarely applies.</p>
<p>@jkeil911 Wow, I didn’t realize quite how thorough your evaluations were. I really appreciate the effort you’ve put into your posts. When you talk about 670 and 1330 being low for a math intensive major such as econ, I wholeheartedly agree. However, my 32 composite ACT, 32 in math, and 33 in Reading translate to around 710M and 730R which means 1440 roughly. Thus, if I were to submit just those ACT scores to say a Georgetown/Cornell/Northwestern, would that put me back in the match category? I guess my point here is that overall, my ACT score is better so i think that’s what the calculations should be based off of (in addition to the other factors you mentioned). Feel free to tell my where I’m wrong these are just my thoughts. Also, I plan on applying to 2-3 reaches max because as you said, more is probably just a waste of money. Thanks</p>
<p>@fogcity Yeah I’m not sure Cornell fits exactly , but I’m just glad to be getting suggestions that are close. Also, when I talk about a laid back attitude, I mean outside the classroom. Obviously at any top school there will be competition and a high focus on grades inside the classroom. However, I want to be around students with other focuses once they leave the classroom. Basically, I don’t want to be in a place where grades are it for most people. </p>
<p>Certainly, the 32M and 32 overall are better than the SAT scores, so send them. The resources I use don’t discriminate the ACT scores, but it’s true that a 32 ACT is at the upper end of the 29-33 middle 50 at Georgetown and Cornell. I’m going to be conservative now because I erred earlier, right, so take this with a grain. I’m going to ask a question I didn’t ask about being OOS at Cornell and what effect that will have, but I’m asking it now because I should have asked it earlier. So I’d say it isn’t clear that Cornell is a match. I still think Georgetown is a match. It’s just not that brainy a place. I’m getting really subjective now, and it’s all your fault. :)) </p>
<p>@jkeil911 In all honesty, I’m looking for some subjectivity as well. After all, that’s what feel is all about at a school right? I appreciate your conjectures. Also, I don’t quite understand the question regarding Cornell. What exactly are you asking? Thanks</p>
<p>the question is what effect will the OP’s being out of state have on decision-making. Usually, OOS students find it harder to get into public schools, and Cornell is part public. I don’t know of any stats on the admissions rates at the individual schools at Cornell, but you can check.</p>
<p>Subjectivity is important, absolutely. But do not set your heart on any college because it is irrational to think you will get into any of these reaches. When you get turned down, or when you get in, show some humility and realize that it didn’t all have to do with your greatness or weakness. We’re dealing with a complex system here.
It’s hard to offer these projections given all that’s involved.</p>
<p>I’d look into Boston College and Fordham.</p>
<p>@jkeil911 Okay I understand that now. I’ll look into admission rates for the individual schools at Cornell and see what info I can gather. Thanks for the food for thought, great stuff to keep in mind</p>