<p>Are religion and science mixed or are they kept separate?</p>
<p>Great question. Many places, like some work to posit church and state, are distinctly separate. Societal culture pushes this position for obvious, fearful reasons.</p>
<p>The truth is that science is not an entity altho it’s been morphed into a religion requiring enormous faith. It is merely a process, a means of seeking to learn the world around us, that was created by a Creator. (Can’t have one w/o the others.) Some … and they are plentiful in the world and on this sight … are committed to marrying the two in an attempt to establish a new “religion.” And thus the historicity and truth (complete) of the Bible becomes edited to fit what some think has been “discovered”, realizing that the Christianity of the Bible is not in complement with what they want to proclaim. The principal, but not sole contention is that Genesis is somehow a fairy tale. That a dude named Darwin didn’t discover but became the chief proponent of evolution, the notion of man being made from the muck of a mud puddle in which chemistry unknown and unrepeatable to any chemist went to work and made molecules of intelligence, design, order, conscience, etc. And they believe it! Despite never having found one single incontrivertible fossil of a creature that moved monkey to man … or mouse to monkey … or mud to mice … or … nothing.Zippo. But these religious believers , well they believe it! </p>
<p>Short answer to your question: It depends. Do you worship God … or science? Where you start with that answer will determine how YOU will answer this question.</p>
<p>I worship God.</p>
<p>As a prospective Engineering major (most likely in Chemical with a focus in Biology), I don’t want to learn Biblical ideas in my science classes. Some information in the Bible is flat out wrong (and has been disproven with facts and evidence, not just theory).</p>
<p>But back to the question asked, will I be learning Bible Science or Science Science?</p>
<p>Well, that was not your question, was it. Asking mushy questions or ones you don’t want the answer to, as an engineer … or as a physician or pastor or father or husband or friend … will usually bring mushy answers, or ones you did not care to know. </p>
<p>I’d say, IF you are a Christian, you will be looking for biblical answers in EVERYTHING, including your science courses. Science is merely a tool, a process, a methodology for exploring and understanding your world. </p>
<p>Please share any thing you’ve discovered to be untrue in your Bible. It must be a vastly different translation than mine. This should be a great learning exercise.</p>
<p>btw, you might be familiar w/ R.C. Sproul? Just yesterday, noting your first statement,i.e. the very same one proclaimed by the mass murderer in Norway btw, he said one of the essential “tests” or aspects of being a Christian, a follower of the truth and light of Jesus Christ, is being under the accountability and being responsible to other Christians. Are you? Who are they? Who could confirm you are who you claim to be? Which church, denomination, if you don’t mind sharing?</p>
<p>It kind of was, I’m sorry if the question was misleading. I really just want to know.</p>
<p>Well IF you were God, you could tell me that, but I’m reasonably sure you aren’t.
The Earth was made in 4004 BC. People did not originate from 2 people (Adam and Eve). Men don’t have one less rib then women. The Earth isn’t flat. The list could go on for a long time.</p>
<p>I am a confirmed (I’m not sure if that’s the right term for I had my confirmation) Roman Catholic. The Bishop that was at my confirmation could probably confirm I’m a Christian or my card from the Vatican that states I was confirmed.</p>
<p>I do like your sense of humor. Be confident. God is not … at least directly … responding to your issues on CC. I’m pretty sure He cares about you and me, little about this forum beyond what it conveys or fails to instruct about His truths.</p>
<p>Where does the Bible say it’s flat. How do you get off proclaiming that you are being truthful and your Bible is lying? Confirmation is good but has nothing to do with what you believe. If you and I are honest, it has everything to do with what your parents believe … and hope, literally like hell, you will too. You see this is all about who you are, where you came from, what you believe, Who you believe, and where you are headed for all of eternity. That’s it. Trust me. I love the Pope, but he or his clerical minions sp? have not one single clue about what you or I believe. Ain’t no credible “membership” cards either. You don’t really believe those, do you? That’s dogma. The question is what real evidence is there that you have a personal relationship with Jesus the Christ? Where’s your fruit, man?</p>
<p>“The Bible tells us how to go to Heaven, not how the heavens go.”</p>
<p>There’s a lot in there about how to treat people, but no scientific principles. For those, we must look to the wide world that God created. And that’s where we find things such as fossils, background radiation, stars, and all the things we have used to construct our modern view of science.</p>
<p>If you’ve read it, the vast majority of Catholics have not, studies show, you’d realize that there are many scientific principles therein. Absolutely the world He’s created can tell us much about His values, infinite capabilities, love of beauty, harmonic senses. Truly, as one renowned scientist noted, far more faith is required to believe the silliness of evolution than it does in the Creator and his capacity for creating. Most recently, our study and increasing knowledge of genetics is further revealing the incredible design and complexity that could not come from genes “evolving.” Science is continually debunking the man-made constructs and theories that are all in one way or another intended to destroy the notion of a Creator and thus make men the omnipotent ones. But the more we know, the more we realize how little we know.</p>
<p>If you have ever read the bible you would notice that the Earth is often called a ‘circle’. If you are familiar with geometry you’ll know that circles are flat. Please don’t argue they don’t know what spheres are because the Hebrews have a word for spheres “kadur” the Bible uses the word for circle “chug”.<br>
This page points out enough passages where the Earth is flat, but they require a bit of reading comprehension to get. </p>
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(<a href=“Quotes from the Christian Bible”>Quotes from the Christian Bible) </p>
<p>I’m glad we both are on the same page about you not being God and you didn’t argue the world is indeed 6000 and change years old and we came from the same 2 people :D</p>
<p>I do not “get off” disproving the Bible, I enjoy knowing that there is one less misinformed person in the world. As a Catholic I do believe the pope is the head of my church and his “minions” are actually quite nice. You asked for proof, and I can’t exactly rip my soul out and show it to you so my card proving I’m confirmed is all I’ve got for you. Well if you are a Christian you probably know that you wouldn’t really be able to judge my relationship with Jesus. I pray to pray. I enjoy helping the sick and less fortunate, it makes me feel very good. I know I’m a sinner and I’m not the best Christian in the world, but I do believe in God and spreading goodwill. </p>
<p>I have read it, and where have you heard the vast majority of Catholics have not? Oh wait you made that up. Evolution isn’t silly; open your eyes to the world around you, just because you disagree doesn’t make it silly. Really where did you get that genetics doesn’t come through evolving? Science adapts as new information is discovered, the bible remains unchanged (until someone wants to edit it I guess, maybe next century a new denomination will decide some other parts aren’t needed).</p>
<p>Once again, I’d really appreciate an answer to my question.</p>
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no diff than the Boy Scouts, Rotary, and Moose Lodgers. All fine, but none proclaiming to be followers of Jesus Christ. Do you proclaim that.</p>
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<li><p>What IS your question besides “Who am I(you ;)) and what’s it all about, Alfie?”
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<li><p>Lest you’ve not had this in your confirmation card-carrying class … bible is capital “B” … always. No exceptions. THE Good Book, not a good book. Still, you must be one of the smartest little boys in the whole world, be it flat or otherwise. Figuring out where the Bible (cap B) is off-course. 
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<p>btw, your interp of the “circle” thing was really fascinating and very insightful. thanks. really!</p>
<p>I never asked who am I. I asked in the Christian College section “Are religion and science mixed or are they kept separate.” Do try reading once in a while and peel your eyes off the screen, my soul isn’t in there. Please stop reading between my words there isn’t anything there other than a space.</p>
<p>Oh forgive me Lord for I ha- oh I’m sorry I just didn’t capitalize a B. I’ll never be the smartest little boy in the whole world, I have something in between my legs that doesn’t allow that to be.
Well I say I’m Catholic which would me I am one who follows Christ otherwise known as a Christian.</p>
<p>No probs, it only makes sense, people did believe the Earth was flat and they were the ones who wrote the Bible.</p>
<p>not sure why you think the Bible was saying that man had one less rib…God took the rib after Adam was created so doesn’t affect all men…</p>
<p>having siblings who attended Christian colleges, I would say that you definitely learn science science, but it will definitely be applied to Christian beliefs in some way I’m sure</p>
<p>I think thats what you were asking lol</p>
<p>I think what the OP was asking was: Let’s take a topic like stem cell research: If OP attends a Catholic college and , will they have an opportunity to learn the facts about stem cells and the research that is going on or will it be glossed over or not covered since the Catholic Church is against most stem cell research. Will they also have the opportunity to participate in research using existing stem cells on campus? </p>
<p>How did I do bandgeek?</p>
<p>seriously, just go to a secular college, where science is actually high ranking,
you can get as much sex as you want and smoke pot and drink as you please,
its college, have some fun</p>
<p>Thank you so much for real answers
@casey1 sort of, I mean it won’t bother me if I don’t learn about everything in science that the church is completely against like stem cells and abortion but other things like Genetics I want to learn about the most current science so when I go on to Grad school or get a job I won’t be clueless. </p>
<p>@nblazer201 that’s not quite my idea of fun, but I do want to go to a school with a strong science program. A Christian College may be one of my financial safeties because of the merit money available.</p>
<p>If you go to an Evangelical Protestant college/university, then you’ll have to deal with Young Earth Creationism and the like. If you go to a Catholic college/university, then you’ll be taught modern biology, genetics, physics, and the like. The Catholic Church keeps up with science, and it was a Catholic priest who discovered the Big Bang.</p>
<p>So while some Christian schools will be anti-science, plenty won’t be.</p>
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<p>I hope the OP thinks this exchange has been useful.
Some of the answers have been very interesting.</p>
<p>I’m not sure I understand the question, though.
Are you asking specifically whether it is appropriate to give equal time to creationism (or intelligent design theory) and the theory of evolution in biology instruction? </p>
<p>Or, are you asking whether a scientific view of the world is just another kind of religion?</p>
<p>Or, is your question directed specifically to the instruction at certain schools? Do you want to know if, at these schools (Wheaton, Grove City, or others), religious instruction is woven into the fabric of science instruction? Do you just want to know if their Biology & Physics classes are identical in content to the way they are taught at other schools?</p>
<p>I think the OP was asking something like the last question. However, it looks like some of the posts addressed the other questions.</p>
<p>It was the last one, I should have worded it differently.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the replies they’ve been helpful</p>
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<p>That would depend entirely on the college. There are evangelical protestant colleges where you would not be taught young earth creationism. </p>
<p>To the OP: Your question is a good one. Research the various colleges and you’ll see that not all Christian colleges are the same in what they teach. As the parent of a Christian college grad, I can assure you that my child was taught “up to date” science in science classes. But, again, it really depends on the college.</p>
<p>in response to @casey1, Christians are not against much of the working stem cell reserach…such as adult stem cells which most of the world uses, while America is still stuck on embryonic stem cells that I, and most Christians are against.</p>
<p>my advice…look at the college and their curriculum…Grove City has a strong science program btw</p>