<p>haha, i was just about to ask about EDII deferrals, good to know that such a thing exists. </p>
<p>hey Dan- does being the only tufts applicant from a (pretty large) high school help me in any way?</p>
<p>anothermom3 - get great grades through the first semester</p>
<p>romeboards - it's better than being among dozens of applicants from the same school, which might hurt, but I would see how it would affirmatively help</p>
<p>sorry - I meant "but I don't see how it would affirmatively help"</p>
<p>To answer abkid's question: "So whatever happened to those deferred students?"</p>
<p>From looking at their other posts, Anna Molly ended up rejected and is at Emory. Coope001 it looks like is at Boston University but I don't think he ever explicitly says.</p>
<p>I'm glad this thread got resurrected - just like Beast at the end of the movie (YouTube</a> - Beast Transforms)</p>
<p>I second WCAS's suggestion: get great grades during that first semester. Nothing helps a student coming out of ED into regular more a strong first semester. Especially for the student who were deferred because of weaker first quarter grades, this is true. For the most part, further materials tend not to have a significant impact, i.e. additional recommendations, essays, campus visits. There is a a big exception to this, however. </p>
<p>I know there are students that put together admissions materials and feel like they are holding back. Either because they get told, "that's too risky," or because they still haven't figured out how to tap their voice, or because they got nervous about saying what was really important to them. Those students can benefit a great deal by sending an informal writing sample that takes the gloves off. </p>
<p>Most of the update letters we get from deferred students tend to be extremely formal. Deferral, at times, makes students unsure about how to proceed and so walk on eggshells, terrified of offending. I'm not advocating jerkdom, but be confident! Assert yourself calmly, and be yourself. Let your voice be present in all your communications with us.</p>
<p>And as long as I'm posting videos, here are the origins of the thread's title:
YouTube</a> - The Mob Song - Beauty and the Beast at 1:17
YouTube</a> - MACBETH (1961) Sean Connery & Zoe Caldwell at 1:36</p>
<p>what if my school doesn't rank? ...and what i mean by that is that they dont, at all. a girl applied ED to cornell this year and when they asked for her rank, my school wouldn't give it to them. fear of "getting the students worried about their place" or something stupid. even when cornell asked, they wouldn't give it. some believe this is one reason she got deffered. so, what will happen with tufts? at my school, you can only really approximate, and since theres always about 4 or 5 kids that apply to tufts each year, i was wondering how that would affect the decision.</p>
<p>Our school does not rank either. While they might offer where in the % of the class a student sits in quintiles, but even that is irrelevant because we don't weight grades either. However, I have never heard of this hurting a kid in admissions and I know of at least one student who was accepted ED this year.</p>
<p>Modadunn is right. Lots of schools don't rank. Tufts Admissions knows how to deal with this. It does not hurt a kid's chances of admission.</p>
<p>Lol.. a quote from a wicked, wicked Lady Macbeth
sorry, this thread just jumped in my face after I had to do Macbeth memorization. :P</p>
<p>Hi Dan,
I apologize for resurrecting this thread so close to the decision date but as my anticipation grows stronger and more intense with the days, the questions that occupied my mind a mere month and a half ago are suddenly rising back to the surface (I was deferred EDII.) If you have some time I would greatly appreciate your insight. I now sit in a pool with 25/109 of my classmates vying for a spot in Tufts' incoming class of 2013 - so, I know my chances are slim. here are the most prominent questions floating around in this brain of mine.
1) in a pool of 25 or so from one high school, such as mine, does the committee take into account if a student has expressed overt enthusiasm for Tufts - for example applying for EDI/EDII? (from what I can tell, this question hasn't already been addressed in this thread....if that is an oversight, I apologize)</p>
<p>2) I am most curious, however, about the difference between being deferred in EDII as opposed to EDI. Since EDII is so close to the RD reading and the admissions committee has a fair sense of the overall pool, I was told by my college counselor to expect an "Accepted" or "Denied." Much of the wonderful insight you have shared thus far in this thread seems to clarify, to an extent, why one would be deferred EDI. But in the case of EDIIers, Mid-year grades have already been submitted and reviewed and files will be reread in less than a month. In summary, what tends to be a prominent factor as to why someone would be deferred EDII and what would sway the committee in a waitlist, deny, accept direction come RD?</p>
<p>And as a musical enthusiast myself (yes, Disney musicals as well....), I too will quote Beauty and the Beast lyrics appropriate for this occasion......(pronouns are to be loosely interpreted)</p>
<p>No matter what they say
You make me proud
I love the funny way
You stand out from the crowd </p>
<p>*and in the case of rejection:</p>
<p>There's been a change in me
A kind of moving on
Though what I used to be
I still depend on
For now I realize
That good can come from bad
That may not make me wise
But oh it makes me glad</p>
<p>(Dang, that was much lengthier than I had intended) ;)</p>
<p>Some kids don't apply EDI or EDII because they need to know the financial aid offer before they can honorably commit to saying yes on acceptance. This has nothing to do with how much a student may want to atttend Tufts as their number 1 choice. I would hope the committee would keep that in mind.</p>
<p>Hi Zoe,</p>
<p>Thread resurrections are a-ok with me, especially since this is a relevant one. </p>
<p>1) We're absolutely aware of the expressed enthusiasm for Tufts. As a Tufts alum, I know that to be any student's first choice (regardless of ED/EDII/RD) is something of an honor, especially considering how many options you have. </p>
<p>2) EDII sees very few defers for exactly the reasons you lay out. But the ED2 pool is the smallest pool out of all the rounds of decisions and there are some students that look strong in ED2, but the committee (or members of the committee) still wonders whether a particular student looks strong because the pool is small or because the student is actually that strong. Deferring gives our office a chance to make sure.</p>
<p>Good luck, Zoe!!</p>
<p>Much appreciated, Dan!
Thank you!!</p>
<p>Hey Dan!
For deferred students who wrote the letter [strongly, yet politely] restating their interest in Tufts, how much does this help? Does the committee concider current accomplishments as much as past ones? And how much do extra, relavent recs actually help?
Thanks for all of your help!</p>
<p>wow a lot of reading for you dan. apart from tons of applicants' essay, you are reading shakespeare too?</p>
<p>Reading Shakespeare is like eating dessert. There's always room.</p>
<p>That answer to Xchicka's question: We tend to assume that our ED defers remain interested even after the deferral. Occasionally there's something big that happens to an applicant during the intervening months, and we always use updated information when making the decision in regularNotices with updates and reiterated interest are always nice, but with rare exceptions they usually aren't the piece that trips the scales. . Mostly, ED deferred candidates are students we like, so its unusual we need more persuasion, its much more a question of making sure the class we enroll remains balanced.</p>
<p>Perhaps this older thread will help. I’ve skimmed the thread, and the information posted within - #1, #12, #28, #45, #52 - is just as useful today as it was when at the dawn of this thread two years ago. Feel free to ask new questions, too.</p>
<p>And this is one of many qualities that make Tufts so special–that an admissions person, in the midst of the admissions season, would take time to comfort and offer advice to those who were deferred. Why Tufts?? This is why!!</p>
<p>Dan,
I had not seen this thread before so thank you for resurrecting it. I do have one additional question. If a deferred applicant had not submitted the optional essay, but still wants to demonstrate to Tufts that it is her #1 choice, could she submit the optional essay prior to the RD deadline? I assume it could not be submitted via the common app, since that common app has already been transmitted. Could you comment on whether could be helpful or not? Would it be helpful if a strong writing sample were also submitted? (Okay, that was 2 questions . . .) Thank you for taking the time to answer.</p>
<p>Dan,
Thank you SO MUCH for everything you do to help the kids with the admissions process. You must have so much going on and it is beyond awesome that you are still answering all our questions with ease. I was wondering what kinds of writing samples one can send? Also, I heard through the grapevine (meaning i totally forgot where I heard it) that for some schools people call to see why they were deferred? This seems very unlikely to me and is probably ready to be myth-busted by you, but I was just wondering. Thanks again for everything!</p>