Seek Education Elsewhere!

Before I begin, I will say that not everyone has the experience that I had. I am looking at this from a pragmatic perspective, where the average student does have this experience.

I posted something similar in a recent thread and am expanding upon it:

If you want to be successful, do not go to SJC. It will set you up for a life of misery. They will never tell you your grades until you have received them at the end of the semester, which by then, is too late. They have a strict grade deflation policy, and most kids (meaning 90%) hover around a 2.9-3.0 gpa. If you have any hopes of going to graduate school or finding a job, go somewhere else. Their reasoning for low grades is that grad schools know how difficult the school is, but intentionally giving your students low grades (low grades that they don’t deserve) to appear rigorous is egregious, unethical, and unacceptable. The people there have the pomposity of The University of Chicago without the credentials to do so. Not that anyone has the right to be pompous, but if your school has 100’s of Nobel Laureates and Rhodes Scholars affiliated with it, then you can brag a little. If you are interested in a classical type of education, go to UChicago. You will be far better off. Besides, you can always get the SJC Reading List and just read the books on your own. After you’ve read the books on your own, you can find someone in the classics department and have a meaningful discussion with them. Also at Chicago, you can major in something that you want to study, along with reading the classics in the context of their core curriculum.

Oftentimes, the kids who work the hardest won’t get to speak as much as they deserve to, which is disappointing. It’s even more disappointing when this happens at 10 pm. Sometimes the Seminar class runs late and it goes until 10:30. You might become very angry when class unnecessarily cuts into your personal sleep time. The classroom conversations are wholeheartedly unproductive. Most kids after the first 3 weeks will come to class significantly unprepared (or high) and will just say something to prove to the tutor that they read the material. What’s even more frustrating is that the kids who talk the most, know the least.

The only productive conversations that I had at this school were the ones that I had with professors. As many negative things that I have to say about this place, even I will admit that there is no disputing the quality of the professors (or “tutors” so to speak). They are world class. But the biggest problem is that if you don’t understand something, and need them to explain it to you, they will nuke your grade. Why? Because there are no tests. Ergo, they must base your grade off of your “perceived” understanding of the material. If it appeared to them that you didn’t understand the material, why would they give you a good grade?

Don’t care about your grades? Don’t care about grad school? Gonna just live off family money and read classical literature for the rest of your life? Then by all means, none of these problems that I’ve raised will concern you. Granted, does everyone have the same experience that I do? No. Some people thrive there and have an excellent time. But there are too many people who have the same experience that I had for someone to take a risk without knowing some of the details of what goes on there and I think that it’s important for people to know more about the school from a firsthand account.

Some sources will say that 75% of kids at SJC go to grad school. When I was there, I asked many seniors what their plans were for the following year; 90% of whom gave me a blank stare and a “Duh, I don’t know.” This was not an “I don’t know because I’m passionate about things ranging from Newtonian Physics to The Italian Renaissance”. It was an “I don’t know because I haven’t thought of anything real-life-applicable for 4 years.” If you have any type of passion for a particular subject, you will not have the opportunity to study it. You won’t even get to study classics after the first 3 semesters if you’re passionate about that. Sure, you might say that the school is very rigorous and that’s what makes it great. But that’s where you are wrong.

Let’s say that you don’t care about grades, and just want the best quality education for yourself. Books that posit such important ethical questions aren’t meant to be given a fast food approach to philosophy. Meaning that the books are read at such a rapid rate, that the students don’t have the opportunity to really delve deep into the philosophical issues that they want to explore. Instead of knowing a lot about many things, they know little about a lot of things. The only exception to this is the books that kids write their annual essays on, in which one will know a lot about one particular question. But is writing 15 pages on whether or not Aristotle’s inquiry into the nature of human good as an activity of body or soul REALLY going to benefit you in the long run? I, for one can tell you that it’s only been 4 months since I wrote that paper, and when I read it again I didn’t understand a word I was saying. Yet I got a B on the paper so it must’ve been halfway decent to the person reading it at the time.

Now let’s pretend that you want to make friends when you’re in college. I will tell you that many of the kids there are quite unlikeable. Most of the time, you can’t make one joke without offending someone. It’s almost like these people have an “offense fetish” a desire to be offended. It’s like that scene in “21 Jump Street” where the kids start saying that Jenko and Schmidt are being racist and homophobic towards the kid, when they weren’t even doing anything. Or the scene from “Ted” when Ted’s girlfriend Tammy Lynn gets offended when Mila Kunis’ character asks her simple questions. Do you really want to live like this and walk on eggshells for 4 years?

I don’t mean to be harsh, but these are the sad realities of this school. I hope that I can save at least one person from the trouble of having to go through what I had to go through.

This post is so absurd I almost feel like I’m wasting my time responding, but I don’t have much to do right now anyway.

  1. I find it hilarious how you seem to be upset because you got a low GPA. Yes of course, you must be some genius and the tutors just didn’t pick up on it. You are the worst cliche at St. John’s, the kid who thinks that their bad grade or don rag should be blamed on the tutors or something outside of their control and then rattles off a list of proposed changes the school should make. You don’t like the way class discussions are going? Well you’re in luck, it’s St. John’s so you have a role in making the class what it is. Also, you are crazy if you think asking questions is frowned upon by tutors.

  2. Where did you find this policy of grade deflation spelled out? You seem incredibly confident and declare that ‘such and such policy IS the case’ so confident in fact, that not only did you find out that it is a policy but you also know the administrations unethical reasoning as well. Bravo sir, fine investigative work. Do you think every tutor is in on it? Or what, do you think that the administration actually gives the grade and the tutor has no part?
    How much time did you spend polling the student body and alumni to make the sensational claim that 90% get a GPA in some range? (I also have the same problem with the claim ‘90% of seniors have no clue about next year’ and EVEN IF that were true, making the assumption that people who take a year off never end up in grad school is equally as absurd).

I transferred to St. John’s from another university (ranked top 25 usnews) and I earned the same GPA at St. John’s that I did before I transferred (3.85). I will admit, I worked harder at St. John’s than I did at the other university, not because I had to, but because St. John’s is what you make of it, and I want everything it has to offer.

This whole post is laughable. Anyway, I hope you enjoy going to U Chicago or wherever you end up, maybe the administration there will give everyone A’s and after every test you take they will give you warm milk and cookies while they coddle you in their arms and reassure you that you are a perfect human being and nothing about your own self needs to change.

Have a good one buddy.