<p>Yes, his father's Kenyan but he's still considered a black-american by the majority.</p>
<p>because all in all we are seen as the same so if you want to make differences don't stupid ones like the shades of our skin, length of our hair or our attitudes. Make ones that matter like what country we come from, because Africa is not a country wowzer, and what our specific roots may be in the case of black americans. Don't let the world's or even Willie Lynch separate us in order to break us.</p>
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<p>Now, wowzerz, you seem very angry but I feel your claims are irrelevant to the topic at hand and are not very well-founded.
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<p>Then find them.</p>
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The reason why I told the story about black-americans is because I felt I needed to explain why ivy league schools are unproportionatly admitting african immigrants or african-american kids to black-americans, considering the differences in their population. The reasoning behind my post was to explain some main points of this situation. This sums up my post, and what you should of taken from it.
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<p>You fail at explaining why Ivy League schools so many admit African immigrants. Here's your answer: The Ivy League schools enroll a disproportionate amount of wealthy and upper-middle class students. Those African immigrant students, are by large, no exception. I have Nigerian friends whom attend my school from the same economic tier that fair far worse than me. In fact, all of them do. </p>
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1. There are not enough high achieving black-american students TODAY, to fill ivy league schools.</p>
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<p>Maybe, but I think you hit the nail on the head with this comment:</p>
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The reason I believe we have this situation is because of....their general education level...
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<p>Ivy League kids Lean Wit it Rock Wit it too, so don't even start...</p>
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4. Other black people are influenced by the actions of black-americans negatively and thus they have made a stereotype that is hard to overcome even if you are educated. The stereotype unconsciously is held by adcom's whether they admit it or not when they are admitting people.
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<p>You can't just make unjustified statements that have no logical bearings.</p>
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<p>Basically, you're saying that white people can tell the difference between blacks and Africans and because of that, assume that you'll act like the stereotypical black American? They're assuming similarity because of difference?</p>
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<p>Only if you're silly enough to think that a combination white people's perceptions of African immigrants as being similar to black Americans culturally and economically, the elitist disdain for hip hop and other parts of black American culture, and a paradoxical preference for African immigrants is the reason for disproportional African enrollment in top tier universities.</p>
<p>I'm from a proud militant black-American family, and frankly, I find your interest in how white people perceive you disgusting. How do African immigrants get the "I need to please mister Boss-man" mentality?</p>
<p>P.S. "Unproportionate" isn't a word.</p>
<p>"I'm from a proud militant black-American family, and frankly, I find your interest in how white people perceive you disgusting. How do African immigrants get the "I need to please mister Boss-man" mentality?"</p>
<p>Alchemy, there is no reason to insult other Africans because of the ideas of one person. Tell me what is this "mentality"?</p>
<p>I'm not insulting Africans, I'm asking how one could get a slave mentality, one that fosters an undeserved reverence for white people not unlike Uncle Tom's. I thought that was a more, black American phenomenon of old.</p>
<p>^^ Uhhh, I'd say that other immigrant classes harbor that kind of mentality to an extent. It would be so much better if we—humans—didn't be have to be categorized on something that shouldn't define anything.</p>
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<p>" How do African immigrants get the "I need to please mister Boss-man" mentality?"</p>
<p>Wouldn't you say that you were generalizing there?</p>
<p>I'm more interested in an answer to a question.</p>
<p>but we cannot answer that question if you do not say where it came from. How do Africans have a reverence for white people? Are you saying that a black person having the drive to succeed means that they look up or worship white people?</p>
<p>Look at Ken's post. Half his posts are about how he hates blacks because whites might affiliate him with blacks.</p>
<p>If I gave an answer, I'd be conceding to the implication that African immigrants have the "I need to please mister Boss-man" mentality". On a broader scope, I think that people in general have this mentality because they believe the "white man" holds all opportunities, and if the white man is supposedly succeeding, then it would make sense to follow in their footsteps. That subsequently leads to rejection of one's own culture in favor of what they believe is just: whatever the "white man" is. It's prevalent across a lot of immigrant cultures in the US, but some choose to stick it to being what's considered as the ideal person and remain strong to their beliefs/roots. I really think the media has a SIGNIFICANT influence in subtly perpetuating that basically, the white man's traits are one to be admired.</p>
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<p>Allow me to reword my question. How does an African get a "I need to please mister Boss-man" mentality? I thought that was a black American slave phenomenon.</p>
<p>you didn't rephrase your question you just switched it around. And you never answered my question, how do Africans exhibit this mentality?</p>
<p>How do Africans exhibit this mentality? Anyone that would dislike another ethnic group that shares their color just because it reflects badly upon themselves in the eyes of whites does. And, in my experiences, Africans are more apt to do just that. </p>
<p>My Afro-Caribbean friends, family, and acquaintances don't have that mentality, but they do just as well as Africans. They don't dislike black Americans. They identify without falling into the cesspool of victimization. After all, at the end of the day we are all black people.</p>
<p>alchemy:
thank you finally another black american has logged on to this thread.</p>
<p>kenshinsan:
1. My quotes were accurate about the percentage of blacks with native american in them. I got them from a place i visited called conor prairie in middle school. You have to visit and they give you information about the time period between prior to world war one and right before world war two. I have done further research and found that the average black american also has 17% european heritage. this isn't including blacks who are immigrants. some of this information i picked up from the local library about census information so if you need more information use your superior brain and go to a library.
2. In my opinion therefore since we are mixed with other races as well we aren't the same race. The only reason i stressed this is because your statement of how you are ashamed when whites associate you with black americans. My reason for stating that we don't necessarily want associate with you is for the same reason.
3. By the way that name doesn't sound exotic it sounds african when most americans think exotic they think people from the bahamas, hawaii, jamaican, not africans. Same with europeans they aren't exotic they are just foreign.
4. The reason i stated that we are prettier is because you irrelevant statement that your father doesn't want you to date a black american girl. Wake up there aren't that many black american girls who want to date an african. Why would we there are plenty of strong, intelligent, stable black guys out there.
5. There are enough blacks to fill these positions at Ivy league schools. Maybe your school isn't that great but at mine you have to be accepted and every black american there has worked heard to get a spot in my school. Considering that nearly all of these top performing high schools in the country have around 10% black american population, compare that to the eight ivies and you definetely have enough black americans. Then if you add in the few that are peforming high in their public schools as well and you have over enough. The problem is more in the schools. I have friends who attend public school, i attend private, and they work really hard and have straight A's. They aren't even applying to ivies though because their college counselors talk them out of it. I have seen this first hand. I attended public school for awhile and my counselor tried to talk me out of honors courses which in the long range could put you out of reach for an ivy league school.</p>
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<li>please tell me why you think alot of them don't make plans after this. The thing is alot of black americans would rather be around other black americans therefore opting for a historically black college. This is a fact because historically black colleges graduate half of all black college graduates. There was an artical about this is my cities newspaper.(artical about rather black colleges time is up and if they are no longer needed.)</li>
<li>They don't even group us in general for admissions. Africans are considered internationals for college admittance. Blacks are usually called Black American for college admittance.</li>
<li>The generation of 30 and below hasn't had much time to do anything. Do you hear yourself when you speak. 30 and below is still young. Most of the past generations did good once they were older more towards retirement age. So yes im sorry that my friends aren't out running for governor and president they just aren't the achievers past generations have been.</li>
<li>By the way i decided to add in a list of \influential black americans who are young just to tickle my fancy. Hope their names are normal enough for you.
DWAYNE ASHLEY President, Thurgood Marshall Scholarship Fund </li>
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<p>(sry about the illustration omitted thing that was on the website.)
By the way next time you use your superior brain and attitude to type something bring a dictionary because unproportionate isn't a word. Or maybe I'm just ignorant, and my prep school education isn't as good as it could be if i had african parents. maybe even my straight a's and ec's aren't enough for me to realize this is a word. Who knows maybe if i had an african boyfriend instead of a black american one he could further educate me, but last time i checked the word was improportionate. If you think im stupid and don't believe me check a dictionary.</p>
<p>and again you are doing the same thing ken and wowzer are doing. you are generalizing a whole group of people just because of the ideas of one person. Tell me where in any of my posts have I said anything along the lines of what you accuse me of doing? If you cannot do that, please realize that your accusation is false.</p>
<p>"How do Africans exhibit this mentality? Anyone that would dislike another ethnic group that shares their color just because it reflects badly upon themselves in the eyes of whites does. And, in my experiences, Africans are more apt to do just that." </p>
<p>It's a unique situation, and I don't think it's necessarily in the "eyes of whites". As I previously stated, every culture has a sense of pride. The stereotypical mindset of others is that Blacks fit the mold of a thief, a rapper, a gangsta. This applies to all of us, whether or not you want to make petty distinctions. It's not that some Africans resent Black-Americans because of the white man's perception; rather, it's that those stereotypes that people so easily believe don't correlate with the old culture.</p>
<p>Honestly, anything you're saying about the undeserved respect towards to white man by African immigrants can be applied to all immigrants. My parents and relatives aren't concerned with how they're perceived by whites. In fact, they're considered a non-factor at all. The goal is to get money, succeed, and preserve the old culture. Does that include demeaning Black Americans? Not at all. I live in NYC, and if anything, wemy familyhas empathized with the struggles of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. I've never had to make any distinctions w/ my Black, Hispanic, or Asian friends because quite frankly, we've all been Americanized to an extent. </p>
<p>When people ask me where I'm from, I tell them I'm from Mali. Not because I don't want to be classified w/ Black-Americans (ugh, I hate using this term so much) but because my skin color should already be evident. </p>
<p>To an extent, everyone here has gotten defensive and made a lot of rash comments. Basing a debate on it is pretty questionable imo.</p>
<p>thesmiths:
Usually I wouldn't generalize but when someone completely demeans your entire race then I'm sorry but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. I don't hate Africans as a whole, but I'm not sorry I really don't wish to be associated as the same race. We have been apart for to long. The black race has been mixed with too many other races now. We aren't one. We have the same skin color thats it. I know what i wrote because i wrote it i don't need to read it again. No I'm not a race supremacist I generally have no problem with other races at all. Like I stated when someone demeans my own race they are going to hear what they are going to hear. I don't want us associated one major reason being college admissions, africans need to be considered internationals not black americans. Other reasons being cultural differences. We have the same origins that doesn't make us the same people.</p>
<p>I'm sorry wowzer but I have concluded that you are in fact ignorant and what is sad is that you don't even know by how much. You are a freshman in high school and still have a lot to learn. And, no, not all top high schools in America have a 10% black population. I'm still waiting on proof from your middle school about Native Americans. Colleges do not consider Africans international students on college apps unless they actually are from another country, because most of us are citizens or were born in the United States. </p>
<p>And being mad is not an excuse for being rude and supremacist, and yes that is what you are.</p>
<p>I have an idea for everyone. Now that i have semi calmed down from the insults kensishan made. I'm no longer angry at all of you. Instead of arguing we first need to all agree to disagree. I don't believe we are one race which many of us don't. I still don't want to be associated with the african race. i don't even like the term african american. I'm not from africa. To better understand each other why don't we all try to ask about something we don't understand about the others race. Then why don't we write something we view as a positive and something we view as a negative for both YOUR race and the OTHER. Then speak about rather you think that the college admissions problems with this situation can be fixed and if so how. This is a more construction way to move towards solving this problem than demeaning the other race. I still stand by most of my opinions but not the one's that unneccesarily demean the othe race.</p>